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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:02:20 AM

In case you missed it

I liked his explanation on his abortion views.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:10:36 AM
Im a Paul supporter...  he is my first choice for president...

bowslit... if you could rank the current voting choices for president from 1 to 5 (Paul, Gingrich, Santorum, Romney and Obama)...  How would you rank the current candidates for your vote?


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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:17:59 AM

Ron Paul, Romney thats it. I don't like Mullah or Newt the cheater at all.

I hope that answers your question. I really do! No, Really!

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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:22:26 AM

Actually Ron Paul and Romney are a toss up for me. I could live with either one.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 1:34:41 AM
which is interesting as they seem so different...

Why wouldnt you consider newt or santorum?
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Posted: 3/22/2012 1:35:37 AM
also thanks for answering the question asked...

If you drop all the drama and BS, answering the question really isnt that hard
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Posted: 3/22/2012 3:08:34 AM
Mitt Romney - Uses faith as a bar for his policies, believes bush and cheney made us safer, believes government has no limits to surveillance, believes government should create even more moral laws and enforce the ones that are in place with even stricter sentences, believes medical marijuana users are criminals, believes spreading values is the governments job, against stem-cell research, against women right to choose, against abortion for rape victims, believes life beings two weeks into a woman’s pregnancy, pro torture, pro war with Iran, pro-fence, believes in self-deportation, against the fourteenth amendment, before 1978 mormons considered the black race inferior, believes in the planet kolob, no coffee, no drugs, no tobacco, follows a cult leader, believes america existed at the same time as jesus, believes he will become a god someday, believes if he has many kids that he will be a god of his own planet, and believes in magical underwear that protects him from evil.

Seems like he is of sound mind and deserves to be 45th president of the Untied States.

The last minute of that Ron Paul interview should be stuck on repeat.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 2:59:34 PM

Moneysrh- evidence of faith as bar for policies claim?

The race thing was a difficult thing for me. I've done alot of thinking about it. There are alot of things that seem fishy to me. The best answer I got from someone is that with racial tensions the way they were back then, holding any priesthood or authority would bring them undue scrutiny and possibly further divide relations. I'm not saying that is a really good reason...just that it's the best reason I got. Besides, its not 1978 anymore even though I can see why that would raise red flags for you.

I don't think alot of what you wrote about mitt is true.

I'm against all those things too, except for maybe stem cell research. I am pro fence, pro waterboarding for certain people. I have a friend that is the product of a rape and she and her mother seem very nice to me.

Whats wrong with a belief not to drink coffee, drugs, or tobacco? That should be a positive.

I live in the heart of Mormonville, and I don't believe it is a cult. It happens to be a very nice place to live with very low crime rate. Teen birth rate is lower.

Obama seems like there should be no limit to surveilance.

Newt is a cheater and you put him above Romney?

 

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Posted: 3/22/2012 5:12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

Mitt Romney - Uses faith as a bar for his policies, believes bush and cheney made us safer, believes government has no limits to surveillance, believes government should create even more moral laws and enforce the ones that are in place with even stricter sentences, believes medical marijuana users are criminals, believes spreading values is the governments job, against stem-cell research, against women right to choose, against abortion for rape victims, believes life beings two weeks into a woman’s pregnancy, pro torture, pro war with Iran, pro-fence, believes in self-deportation, against the fourteenth amendment, before 1978 mormons considered the black race inferior, believes in the planet kolob, no coffee, no drugs, no tobacco, follows a cult leader, believes america existed at the same time as jesus, believes he will become a god someday, believes if he has many kids that he will be a god of his own planet, and believes in magical underwear that protects him from evil.

America as in the 50 states no, but Natives living in North America absolutely. Numerous grass-covered pyramids found in Illinois and upper Mid West that are dated 2-3,000 years ago.

 

 

 



Seems like he is of sound mind and deserves to be 45th president of the Untied States.

The last minute of that Ron Paul interview should be stuck on repeat.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 6:25:31 PM

believes america existed at the same time as jesus

The Maya is a Mesoamerican civilization, noted for the only known fully developed written language of the pre-Columbian Americas, as well as for its art, architecture, and mathematical and astronomical systems. Initially established during the Pre-Classic period (c. 2000 BC to 250 AD), according to the Mesoamerican chronology, many Maya cities reached their highest state of development during the Classic period (c. 250 to 900 AD), and continued throughout the Post-Classic period until the arrival of the Spanish.

The Maya civilization shares many features with other Mesoamerican civilizations due to the high degree of interaction and cultural diffusion that characterized the region. Advances such as writing, epigraphy, and the calendar did not originate with the Maya; however, their civilization fully developed them. Maya influence can be detected from Honduras, Guatemala, Northern El Salvador and to as far as central Mexico, more than 1,000 km (620 mi) from the Maya area. Many outside influences are found in Maya art and architecture, which are thought to result from trade and cultural exchange rather than direct external conquest.

The Maya peoples never disappeared, neither at the time of the Classic period decline nor with the arrival of the Spanish conquistadores and the subsequent Spanish colonization of the Americas. Today, the Maya and their descendants form sizable populations throughout the Maya area and maintain a distinctive set of traditions and beliefs that are the result of the merger of pre-Columbian and post-Conquest ideas and cultures. Many Mayan languages continue to be spoken as primary languages today; the Rabinal Achí, a play written in the Achi language, was declared a Masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity by UNESCO in 2005.

Hmmm Mittins may have won that argument.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 6:36:52 PM

believes in the planet kolob

Not saying I believe in kolob or not but I'd be interested to see your evidence that it does not exist.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 6:41:59 PM
I don't know why so many complaing about the way our governnemt is going then consider voting for Romney or Obama.  What are they going to do different?  RP want's to restore the Constitution, which is sitting in a trash can somewhere beneath the White House shredder.
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Posted: 3/23/2012 12:43:10 AM
Joseph Smith, Jr. (December 23, 1805 – June 27, 1844) was an American religious leader and the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, which gave rise to Mormonism. Smith is regarded by his followers as a prophet.

According to Smith, beginning in the early 1820s he had visions, in one of which an angel directed him to a buried book of golden plates, inscribed with a Christian history of ancient American civilizations.

In 1830, he published an English translation of these plates as the Book of Mormon, and organized the Church of Christ, as the restoration of the early Christian church. Church members were later called Latter Day Saints, Saints, or Mormons.

In 1831, Smith moved west to Kirtland, Ohio intending to establish a city of Zion in western Missouri, but Missouri settlers expelled the Saints in 1833. After leading Zion's Camp, an unsuccessful expedition to recover the land, Smith began building a temple in Kirtland. In 1837, the Kirtland Safety Society, a bank established by Smith and other church leaders, collapsed.

 The following year Smith joined his followers in northern Missouri, where earlier settlers fearing the rapid growth of Mormon communities fought them in the 1838 Mormon War. The Saints were defeated and expelled from Missouri, and Smith was imprisoned.

After being allowed to escape state custody in 1839, Smith led his followers to settle at Nauvoo, Illinois on Mississippi River swampland. There he served as both mayor and commander of its large militia, the Nauvoo Legion. In early 1844, he announced his candidacy for President of the United States.

That summer, after the Nauvoo Expositor criticized Smith's practice of polygamy and called for the repeal of the Nauvoo Charter, the Nauvoo City Council ordered the paper's destruction. During the ensuing turmoil, Smith first declared martial law and then surrendered to the governor of Illinois. Although the governor promised his safety, Smith was murdered while awaiting trial in Carthage, Illinois.

Smith's followers regard many of his publications as scripture. His teachings include unique views about the nature of God, cosmology, family structures, political organization, and religious collectivism. He is seen as one of the most charismatic and inventive figures of American history, and his followers regard him as a prophet of at least the stature of Moses and Elijah...

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Smith's legacy includes a number of religious denominations, including the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Missouri-based Community of Christ, which collectively claim a growing membership of more than 14 million worldwide.

In 1832, Smith wrote that as a youth in about 1820, while in the "attitude of calling upon the Lord,"he had a vision in which God told him that his sins were forgiven and that the world had "turned aside from the gospel."

Although this experience was unknown to most early believers, a later account of the event became known as Smith's First Vision, and its importance to the Mormon faith began to be emphasized during the last two decades of the 19th century.

The Smith family supplemented its meager farm income by treasure-digging. Joseph claimed an ability to use seer stones for locating lost items and buried treasure. To do so, Smith would put a stone in a white stovepipe hat and would then see the required information in reflections given off by the stone.

In 1823, while praying for forgiveness from his sins, Smith said he was visited at night by an angel named Moroni, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/The_Hill_Cumorah_by_C.C.A._Christensen.jpeg who revealed the location of a buried book of golden plates as well as other artifacts, including a breastplate and a set of silver spectacles with lenses composed of seer stones, which had been hidden in a hill near his home. Smith said he attempted to remove the plates the next morning but was unsuccessful because the angel prevented him…

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Posted: 3/23/2012 12:44:22 AM
The problem is the United States is filled with really dumb people. They get a say in everything too, and they are subject to a lot of tricks. They’re subject to cultism, nationalism, “Ra-Ra” speeches that don’t say jack garbage, and it’s all a cheerleading fuckin event.

They’re subjected to it and they can’t help it, they’re dumb. They don’t know they’re being bullshitted. They grew up around dumb people. They go to work with dumb people. They vote for, listen, follow, worship, and idolize dumb people.

Out of all the things I posted you picked out believes America existed at the same time as Jesus? And defend planet KOLOB? Holy garbage this is by far the creepiest thread I have ever seen.

CD, DL, Goose, Disco, and rooster where are you guys? Rooster I told you the Republican Party was a cult if the above isn’t evidence enough I don’t know what else to present.

Jesus died between 30-36 AD and this religion started in the 1800s in the united states, in the state of Michigan and the Republican party wants him to be the leader of the United States of America?  
 
The Heaven's Gate Cult, The Mormon Cult, and The Republican Party Cult they all are one in the same. Since you guys are brainwashed by cult leaders It’s clear to see why you defend it. Looks like Ron Paul is the only one to not drink the punch at their rallies?

I regret posting now because I am really scared and the scariest part is there are maybe 100 million crazy people walking around free and voting for romney?

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Posted: 3/23/2012 2:26:11 AM

I agree with you that the earth is filled with really dumb people.

I didn't necesarily defend the planet kolob thing. I just asked you to share your evidence that the idea is complete lunacy. Which you didn't!

You brought up what you thaught to be lunacy but turned out you were dead wrong. There is much evidence that can support what this Book of Mormons claims. And I'd bet that you couldn't support any evidence to the contrary. There are plenty of ruins that date back to the time of Jesus in the Americas.

Please tell me that you've heard of the Inca, Mayans, Aztecs etc.

All I am saying is if your gonna come out and say that a guy is an idiot....by all means make sure he is an idiot.

You failed to mention the story where Joseph Smith was tarred and feathered for his claims. How many people do you know that would stick to their claims even through that?

The Book of Mormon is pretty detailed for him to have pulled out of his behind as you have suggested. How much money did Joseph Smith gain for writing this fiction book?

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Posted: 3/23/2012 2:44:25 AM

As I've said before, I live in the heart of Mormonville. I can't help but to know alot about the culture and everything around it.

Some of the people I respect the most in this world are devout Mormons. They are some of the most honest people you can meet.

Are there by products of the hyper religious upbringing? Sure.

The crime rate is very low, even the run down parts of town are very safe.

Steve Young is an alright guy right? He has the same beliefs as Mittens. Do you really think Steve Young is a crazy cult member?  Dale Murphy, Danny White, Eric Hipple, Merlin Olson, all crazy cult members right? Those guys all sound pretty docile to me.

What can be so horrible about this:

We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Ya brother thanks for pointing out that dangerous cult to us!

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Posted: 3/23/2012 2:55:04 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

The problem is the United States is filled with really dumb people. They get a say in everything too, and they are subject to a lot of tricks. They’re subject to cultism, nationalism, “Ra-Ra” speeches that don’t say jack garbage, and it’s all a cheerleading fuckin event.

They’re subjected to it and they can’t help it, they’re dumb. They don’t know they’re being bullshitted. They grew up around dumb people. They go to work with dumb people. They vote for, listen, follow, worship, and idolize dumb people.

Out of all the things I posted you picked out believes America existed at the same time as Jesus? And defend planet KOLOB? Holy garbage this is by far the creepiest thread I have ever seen.

CD, DL, Goose, Disco, and rooster where are you guys? Rooster I told you the Republican Party was a cult if the above isn’t evidence enough I don’t know what else to present.

Jesus died between 30-36 AD and this religion started in the 1800s in the united states, in the state of Michigan and the Republican party wants him to be the leader of the United States of America?  
 
The Heaven's Gate Cult, The Mormon Cult, and The Republican Party Cult they all are one in the same. Since you guys are brainwashed by cult leaders It’s clear to see why you defend it. Looks like Ron Paul is the only one to not drink the punch at their rallies?

I regret posting now because I am really scared and the scariest part is there are maybe 100 million crazy people walking around free and voting for romney?



If romney is a cult leader, he has found some good followers
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If romney is a cult leader, he has found some good followers

When I need instruction on how to get possessed by a retarded ghost I will call you.

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Those celebrities are just as crazy as the celebrities that follow Scientology are.

Planet kolob? I’ll let NASA and astrologists tell me if it exists.

How much money did Joseph Smith gain for writing this fiction book? How many followers and teenage wives did he get for writing his book and Joseph smith called it tithing. Tithing is a tenth part of one's annual income contributed voluntarily or due as a tax, especially for the support of the clergy or church.

Joseph Smith was tarred and feathered for his claims. So, what does that prove? That he was crazy enough to die for his beliefs? The leader of heaven’s gate died for his cause.

If you follow a man who is from Ohio that was alive in the 1800s in the United States and he says he has seen god and angels speak to him and you follow him. There is something wrong with your head and you need extensive psychiatric help.

So, you’re saying that Jesus and his followers visited Utah and the Indians were around to witness it? A man named Joseph Smith wrote the book of Mormon in the United States during the 1800s, claims to be a direct descendant of Christ, secrets of rape, molestation, murder, and slavery are tied to mormonism, told teenage girls to marry him because god told him and if they refused would go to hell for all eternity, claims God and angels spoke to him, worships third eyes, worships pyramids, magic underwear protects you from evil spirits, claims Jesus and his followers were in Utah, you expect me to believe it, and he changed his story 4,000 times?

Mitt Romney is the leader of the Republican Party and you wonder why I have issues with the Republican Party? People actually want this man to be the president of the United States and the most powerful man in the world?

Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, and Mitt Romney are all equally crazy and all of them are cult leaders. If you vote for them, you are just as crazy as they are or crazier. It’s either Obama or Ron Paul for me because the rest belong in mental institutions. I would rather have Bush re-elected than have any of the Republican politicians other than Ron Paul elected.  

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I'll just tell you that tithing does not go to pay clergy. Mormon clergy do not get paid a dime.

Heavens Gate cult killed themselves and comparing the two is disengenuous. Joe Smith was murdered in jail.

Joes writings the Book of Mormon doesnt speak about his followers at all, or of the Indians.

Catholic church is rife with molestation and child rape to this day. Do you see the Catholic church as a cult?

Catholic theology believes that a priest should be celebate? Why? Perhaps that is the reason there is so much of the above that happens.

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Posted: 3/23/2012 9:42:40 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

believes in the planet kolob

Not saying I believe in kolob or not but I'd be interested to see your evidence that it does not exist.



I have heard another poster characterize your pattern of logic as:

"learned that from the Obama/Axelrod school of debating. A negative cannot be proven."




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Posted: 3/24/2012 12:04:07 AM
I would call a psych ward if I knew you in real life.

Everything I just said went right over your head didn't it?

I can believe you don’t get it? Joseph Smith the cult leader of Mormons and Marshall Applewhite the cult leader of Heaven’s Gate are the same person.

Only a mentally disturbed person would overlook everything I pointed out and try to use spin to deflect the undeniable truth that I posted.

Post number 20 exposes the truth about Romney and by me exposing the truth and seeing your response I can tell I’m right about republicans not being of sound mind.

How could any normal sane thinking person disagree with what I posted?

Notice not a single Republican on here defended you or attacked post 20?

I believe this is the first time I have ever been this shocked by a covers poster.



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I would call a psych ward if I knew you in real life.

Everything I just said went right over your head didn't it?

I can believe you don’t get it? Joseph Smith the cult leader of Mormons and Marshall Applewhite the cult leader of Heaven’s Gate are the same person.

Only a mentally disturbed person would overlook everything I pointed out and try to use spin to deflect the undeniable truth that I posted.

Post number 20 exposes the truth about Romney and by me exposing the truth and seeing your response I can tell I’m right about republicans not being of sound mind.

How could any normal sane thinking person disagree with what I posted?

Notice not a single Republican on here defended you or attacked post 20?

I believe this is the first time I have ever been this shocked by a covers poster.



The points I used to counter your points were adequate.

Mormon clergy do not get paid for their service.

Mormonism is no more a cult than Catholicism or any other religion. What is the likelihood of a Catholic priest molesting a young boy right NOW?

Fundamentals of the church are not even close to the Branch Davidians or Heavens gate cults as you had inferred. The mere comparison is assinine.

Is there some questionable behavior by some important people a long time ago? Yes! Now? NO!

You or I cannot disprove that Kolob doesn't exist. So how can you so definitively pass that off as crazy? You can't.

To me...knowing the vastness of our Universe, for you to so very quickly dismiss other ideas as quackery...speaks volumes.

In the grand scheme of things do you think our 6 billion people are the only things that matter in our galaxy? Our universe?

Get over ourselves!

 

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