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Posted: 3/13/2012 10:49:46 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:

here we go with the unions...

First it will be the numerous usual suspects congratulating you on your talking point...

then the "koolaid man" bust in the thread...

same old talking points, same old BS...

Covers knows
three rolling laughs for that prediction...

Unions are needed to create a level playing field. Everything needs balance in order for anything to work. The problem is with every good idea or intention there are always flaws.
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Posted: 3/13/2012 11:28:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

three rolling laughs for that prediction...

Unions are needed to create a level playing field. Everything needs balance in order for anything to work. The problem is with every good idea or intention there are always flaws.

If that is true then why is only 7% of the private sector unionized?

Unions have killed many a good business due to greed.

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Posted: 3/14/2012 2:02:14 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

If that is true then why is only 7% of the private sector unionized?

Unions have killed many a good business due to greed.

I would say the greed of companies have damaged many lives.

Am I the only person that finds companies using totalitarian countries to make their products disturbing and Americans cheering for the US to be more like those totalitarian countries also disturbing?

Americans are so spoiled that they have no idea what working conditions are like in totalitarian countries and what countries without taxes and unions look like.

I can use the overseas factories used by Apple, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Sony, and Nike as examples of when there are no unions to protect workers. The working conditions are real bad.

Take the apple factories as an example. The conditions are so bad that they had to build nets to stop people from committing suicide on the working grounds.

You give a person an inch and he will take a foot. That applies to employers and the employees. You want businesses to have unlimited control with no regulations and no rights for workers. That is like having police officers without internal affairs.

The cons out number the pros but people cannot be trusted to be fair and we all know this to be true. The problem is not unions. The problem is the way it is structured right now and the ability to abuse the system. The system is flawed and needs to be tweaked. I believe in balance and freedom.

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Posted: 3/14/2012 2:42:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

I would say the greed of companies have damaged many lives.

Am I the only person that finds companies using totalitarian countries to make their products disturbing and Americans cheering for the US to be more like those totalitarian countries also disturbing?

Americans are so spoiled that they have no idea what working conditions are like in totalitarian countries and what countries without taxes and unions look like.

I can use the overseas factories used by Apple, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Sony, and Nike as examples of when there are no unions to protect workers. The working conditions are real bad.

Take the apple factories as an example. The conditions are so bad that they had to build nets to stop people from committing suicide on the working grounds.

You give a person an inch and he will take a foot. That applies to employers and the employees. You want businesses to have unlimited control with no regulations and no rights for workers. That is like having police officers without internal affairs.

The cons out number the pros but people cannot be trusted to be fair and we all know this to be true. The problem is not unions. The problem is the way it is structured right now and the ability to abuse the system. The system is flawed and needs to be tweaked. I believe in balance and freedom.

Again, I remind you that only 7% of the private workforce is unionized.

Worked at a non union Alcoa factory for 15 years and was treated very fairly. If you don't like your working conditions go somewhere else.

OSHA takes care of the safety aspect.

Unions were valuable a long time ago. Now they have turned into a cancer.

Union for arena league players makes my case very strongly.

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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:04:26 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

Again, I remind you that only 7% of the private workforce is unionized.

Worked at a non union Alcoa factory for 15 years and was treated very fairly. If you don't like your working conditions go somewhere else.

OSHA takes care of the safety aspect.

Unions were valuable a long time ago. Now they have turned into a cancer.

Union for arena league players makes my case very strongly.

If you don't like your working conditions go somewhere else. You sound like my father. He also believes that jobs fall out of the sky.

Teachers, firefighters, and police officers would disagree with you beliefs.

If what you believe is true and getting rid of unions is successful, it means that no teacher, firefighter, policeman, or other public worker will have the right to have union representation to intercede for standard wages or benefits. It means, inevitably, that the average wages and benefits of public workers will decline with no hope of improvement.

More than that, it means that older workers will experience even more age discrimination than they have in the past. Younger, less experienced workers are almost always less expensive than older workers. There is a real fear among many unionized public workers that once union collective bargaining protections are removed, that jobs will be "outsourced" to a younger, healthier (and less expensive) population of Americans, lowering the average wages of American workers and further attacking the middle class.

I am forced to choose who I trust the most? Unions, government, or the private sector.



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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:16:44 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

If that is true then why is only 7% of the private sector unionized?

Unions have killed many a good business due to greed.


Other way around. Private sector greed killed the unions. 

..and in turn decent wages, pensions etc.

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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:34:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

If you don't like your working conditions go somewhere else. You sound like my father. He also believes that jobs fall out of the sky.

Teachers, firefighters, and police officers would disagree with you beliefs.

If what you believe is true and getting rid of unions is successful, it means that no teacher, firefighter, policeman, or other public worker will have the right to have union representation to intercede for standard wages or benefits. It means, inevitably, that the average wages and benefits of public workers will decline with no hope of improvement.

More than that, it means that older workers will experience even more age discrimination than they have in the past. Younger, less experienced workers are almost always less expensive than older workers. There is a real fear among many unionized public workers that once union collective bargaining protections are removed, that jobs will be "outsourced" to a younger, healthier (and less expensive) population of Americans, lowering the average wages of American workers and further attacking the middle class.

I am forced to choose who I trust the most? Unions, government, or the private sector.



Name some things that the government is NOT completely inept at.

If only 7% of the private sector is currently unionized then is the other 93% outscourced? I know plenty of people that are making good money, work conditions, etc. and are not represented.

Teachers, Firefighters and Police should make a sustainable wage and benefit package that doesn't cripple the taxpayers that support them.

Far too often the benefit package is way out of line with the private sector and that is before the double dipping starts.

I can't wait to see that huge list you provide me with the things the government does well and cost effective!

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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:38:03 PM
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Other way around. Private sector greed killed the unions. 

..and in turn decent wages, pensions etc.

Thats interesting because the people have the option to organize.

 The trend has been that the people have chosen NOT to do so.

Please explain how corporate, or private sector greed has killed the unions? Seems to me that corporate greed would promote more unionization not less.

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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:43:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

I would say the greed of companies have damaged many lives.

Am I the only person that finds companies using totalitarian countries to make their products disturbing and Americans cheering for the US to be more like those totalitarian countries also disturbing?

Americans are so spoiled that they have no idea what working conditions are like in totalitarian countries and what countries without taxes and unions look like.

I can use the overseas factories used by Apple, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, IBM, Sony, and Nike as examples of when there are no unions to protect workers. The working conditions are real bad.

Take the apple factories as an example. The conditions are so bad that they had to build nets to stop people from committing suicide on the working grounds.

You give a person an inch and he will take a foot. That applies to employers and the employees. You want businesses to have unlimited control with no regulations and no rights for workers. That is like having police officers without internal affairs.

The cons out number the pros but people cannot be trusted to be fair and we all know this to be true. The problem is not unions. The problem is the way it is structured right now and the ability to abuse the system. The system is flawed and needs to be tweaked. I believe in balance and freedom.



Man you nailed this perfectly, couldnt agree more with you.

Are unions perfect? Of course not, theres always going to be flaws in every system and there will always be people around to exploit it.
The clown up above thinks non union workers are so much better workers, well that is a complete joke. I worked with alot of non union workers when i worked construction amd most were lazy fools who just went thru the motions. Most would just complain about how little they were getting paid and how they hated their jobs. So for the clown to make like non union workers are so happy is just insane.
Someday when the insurance crooks realize they can ship their salesman jobs overseas, then just maybe the clwon will get a taste of his own medicine.

Amazing how the companies get their products made overseas for pennies on the dollar, bring them back here paying no import taxes and then still charge prices like they were being made here in our country.  Wheres the deal for us?  Why do we keep letting these companies profit from this bullshit?  The amount of money apple pays its workers, they should be selling IPads in our country for under 100 bucks and still make a giant profit.
darn all these phony American companies and the jokes like the insurance crook who support that crap


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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:53:27 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by DiscoD69:


Other way around. Private sector greed killed the unions. 

..and in turn decent wages, pensions etc.



bravo my friend, great post

Only people who really complain about unions are the people who are sitting up on their holier then now pedestal, knowing their job isnt one that can be lost to overseas workers. All they do is whine everyday about how unions have caused all the problems and why dont all union workers work for 5 bucks an hour, instead of blaming the real culprits who ruined our country and are going to keep doing it, until we basically become a third world nation "THE DIRTBAG CORPORATIONS" and their greed for more and more wealth.

Most of the union bashers would know what a hard days work was if it bit them in the behind.
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Posted: 3/14/2012 4:57:14 PM
Lmfaooooooooooooo no doubt the insurance crook got fired from his plant job. Working in a plant means you have to work and cant sit on your behind making calls to little old ladies all day. He was destined to be a desk jockey, this way he could spend all day on a gambling forum posting about how bad unions are.
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Posted: 3/14/2012 5:11:22 PM

CD....I thought you promised to stay away?

This is big boy conversation...RUN ALONG

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Posted: 3/14/2012 5:15:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cd329:

 

 The clown up above thinks non union workers are so much better workers, well that is a complete joke. I worked with alot of non union workers when i worked construction amd most were lazy fools who just went thru the motions. Most would just complain about how little they were getting paid and how they hated their jobs. So for the clown to make like non union workers are so happy is just insane.




The dumbass doesn't realize that those lazy nonunion guys can and will get fired for being lazy. You can't fire a lazy union worker. Can you expect the union guy to do more than his quota?

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Posted: 3/14/2012 5:29:15 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

Name some things that the government is NOT completely inept at.

If only 7% of the private sector is currently unionized then is the other 93% outscourced? I know plenty of people that are making good money, work conditions, etc. and are not represented.

Teachers, Firefighters and Police should make a sustainable wage and benefit package that doesn't cripple the taxpayers that support them.

Far too often the benefit package is way out of line with the private sector and that is before the double dipping starts.

I can't wait to see that huge list you provide me with the things the government does well and cost effective!

cd329

Name some things that the government is NOT completely inept at.

I will counter with name a job that is controlled by the private sector that is perfect without downsides.

If you can get Teachers, Firefighters and Police to unanimously agree to what you believe is right? Then I am all for it but until then I will side with Teachers, Firefighters, and Police.

The problem is you don’t trust unions or the government and you trust the private sector.

I don’t trust unions, government, or the private sector.

You act like the private sector is not corrupt and they are righteous. Unions were created for a reason.

Labor unions were created in order to help the workers with work-related difficulties such as low pay, unsafe or unsanitary working conditions, long hours, and other situations.

I don’t trust people to be able to police themselves and treat people fairly.

I believe the system has to be tweaked and you believe it should be eliminated.

I’m reluctant to trust anything and anyone.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:


The dumbass doesn't realize that those lazy nonunion guys can and will get fired for being lazy. You can't fire a lazy union worker. Can you expect the union guy to do more than his quota?

 

WRONG.. A union guy or gal can be fired, but they get some form of warning. Where as a non union worker can be fired if a boss just doesn't like you.

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WRONG.. A union guy or gal can be fired, but they get some form of warning. Where as a non union worker can be fired if a boss just doesn't like you.



Don, the guy is a total clown and will never realize that. I have seen many union workers at my fire dept get fired.
Thing is when your a non union worker, you could be the best worker in the place, but if one of the bosses or bosses friends dislikes you for whatever reason {wearing your hair parted to the left instead of the left} they will find anything to just can your behind..
Maybe the good non union worker gets into it with another worker, but that worker is good friends with the boss, bye bey good non union worker.  That type of garbage doesnt happen with unions, because they are there to protect that type of garbage from happening.

The clown is still mad about getting fired from his non union plant, so now he blames the worlds problems on unions
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30 years ago i worked with some non union workers from Arkansas on a railroad. They were some of the laziest workers i ever worked with in my life. I dont think they could have moved fast, if their fools were on fire for real

Point is there is good union workers and bad union workers. There is good non union workers and bad non union workers.

But to sit here and think the country would be so much better off if we were all non union workers and slaves to the companies is really really really stupid.
You just watch what will happen when the last of the unions are gone, companies will be able to do anything they want to workers and dont say the govt will be their to protect workers, because when the union are gone, the govt will just go pass whatever laws the companies want. 
So all you union haters, it will be your kids and their kids who pay the price down the line, when they are all working 3 jobs just to support a family.
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30 years ago i worked with some non union workers from Arkansas on a railroad. They were some of the laziest workers i ever worked with in my life. I dont think they could have moved fast, if their fools were on fire for real

Point is there is good union workers and bad union workers. There is good non union workers and bad non union workers.

But to sit here and think the country would be so much better off if we were all non union workers and slaves to the companies is really really really stupid.
You just watch what will happen when the last of the unions are gone, companies will be able to do anything they want to workers and dont say the govt will be their to protect workers, because when the union are gone, the govt will just go pass whatever laws the companies want. 
So all you union haters, it will be your kids and their kids who pay the price down the line, when they are all working 3 jobs just to support a family.

 

You are so right CD...people are working 3 jobs just to make it, while CEOs are taking home 50 million a year, it's SICKENING.

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Posted: 3/14/2012 6:13:04 PM

Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

The problem is you don’t trust unions or the government and you trust the private sector.

I trust the private sector because I have worked within the private sector for 25 years. If I put in an honest days work I make an honest days pay. If I had experienced otherwise then I wouldn't trust the private sector. 93% of the private sector trusts the private sector or they would organize. Wouldn't they?

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QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan:

 

You are so right CD...people are working 3 jobs just to make it, while CEOs are taking home 50 million a year, it's SICKENING.

Its called job skills bro. You can't expect to support 6 kids while working the drive thru window.

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Its funny to watch bowslit still trying desperately

We all know what will happen next
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If you can get Teachers, Firefighters and Police to unanimously agree to what you believe is right? Then I am all for it but until then I will side with Teachers, Firefighters, and Police.

Hmmm Teachers work 9 months out of the year.

Police and fire can retire in their 40's.

And how is their retirement funded? Is it not a huge gamble on the stock market?

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Its funny to watch bowslit still trying desperately

We all know what will happen next

Adult conversation...run along.

GEE another post where you contrubute nothing to the conversation. What a dumb behind. I wonder what percentage of your 15614 posts you actually contribute somthing to the discussion? My guess is somewhere around 4%.

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exactly    I dont understand why people get their rocks off wanting to see management and owners of corporations darn the little guy?  Its actually mind boggling, that a few here are always cheering on management and want to see the worker have less and less rights.

hmmm, I take it you have never took the financial risk and started your own business? What financial risk does the employee have by showing up to work?

ANY employee who is worth his/her weight in gold does NOT need a union to make good money.

ANY GOOD company knows its employees are its most valuable asset. When the union gets involved they just want a piece of the pie at the expense of the employer and employee.

Unions had their time and place here in this country but now they are needed in other countries and I suggest they pack up their bags and set sail.

Why do you think companies like Toyota can come here, set up shop, pay fair wages and benefits and build more competitive cars than we can?

 

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hmmm, I take it you have never took the financial risk and started your own business? What financial risk does the employee have by showing up to work?

ANY employee who is worth his/her weight in gold does NOT need a union to make good money.

ANY GOOD company knows its employees are its most valuable asset. When the union gets involved they just want a piece of the pie at the expense of the employer and employee.

Unions had their time and place here in this country but now they are needed in other countries and I suggest they pack up their bags and set sail.

Why do you think companies like Toyota can come here, set up shop, pay fair wages and benefits and build more competitive cars than we can?

 


Let me take a stab at that question.
Because it is an Asian company and if the employees would ever
 threaten to unionize they would "pack their bags and set
 sail."
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