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Posted: 7/27/2009 2:40:57 AM
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Full Tilt Poker Game #13644514304: Midnight Madness! (99836218), Table 122 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:32:42 ET - 2009/07/27
Seat 1: AANTENAA (19,449)
Seat 2: kim528 (2,889)
Seat 3: martinbeach (2,592)
Seat 4: U naggers (23,593)
Seat 5: A2 Ship It (4,834)
Seat 6: Joyboy1223 (1,963)
Seat 7: bernheld (13,217), is sitting out
Seat 8: thunderqb10 (13,653)
Seat 9: timchuk (20,421)
AANTENAA antes 75
kim528 antes 75
martinbeach antes 75
U naggers antes 75
A2 Ship It antes 75
Joyboy1223 antes 75
bernheld antes 75
thunderqb10 antes 75
timchuk antes 75
U naggers posts the small blind of 300
A2 Ship It posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to A2 Ship It [Ac Qh]
Joyboy1223 has 15 seconds left to act
Joyboy1223 has been disconnected
Joyboy1223 folds
bernheld folds
Joyboy1223 has reconnected
thunderqb10 raises to 1,500
timchuk folds
AANTENAA folds
kim528 calls 1,500
martinbeach folds
U naggers folds
A2 Ship It raises to 4,759, and is all in
thunderqb10 raises to 13,578, and is all in
kim528 calls 1,314, and is all in
thunderqb10 shows [Kd Kc]
kim528 shows [5c 5s]
A2 Ship It shows [Ac Qh]
Uncalled bet of 8,819 returned to thunderqb10
*** FLOP *** [7h Qc Kh]
*** TURN *** [7h Qc Kh] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [7h Qc Kh 4c] [3c]
thunderqb10 shows three of a kind, Kings
bernheld has reconnected
bernheld has returned
A2 Ship It shows a pair of Queens
thunderqb10 wins the side pot (3,890) with three of a kind, Kings
kim528 shows a pair of Fives
thunderqb10 wins the main pot (9,417) with three of a kind, Kings
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13,307 Main pot 9,417. Side pot 3,890. | Rake 0
Board: [7h Qc Kh 4c 3c]
Seat 1: AANTENAA folded before the Flop
Seat 2: kim528 showed [5c 5s] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 3: martinbeach (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: U naggers (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: A2 Ship It (big blind) showed [Ac Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Joyboy1223 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: bernheld folded before the Flop
Seat 8: thunderqb10 showed [Kd Kc] and won (13,307) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 9: timchuk folded before the Flop

I'm A2 Ship It
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Posted: 7/27/2009 2:46:38 AM
With big blind at 600 and you with 4824 chips, I don't see how you get away from this hand.
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Posted: 7/27/2009 2:56:55 PM
Pre-flop raise could have been everything from a small pair to A-10 or so.  You could have easily been racing.  If the guy really had been playing loose, I think your play is just fine. 
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Posted: 7/27/2009 5:35:19 PM
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Posted: 7/27/2009 7:46:03 PM
A raise and a call means you are probably in trouble....you HAVE to hit a flop with that hand.....You should assume one of them has a pocket pair and your A/Q might be dominated by A/K ....
 
bottomline: getting your money all in with A/Q offsuit is rarely profitable, especially vs 2 opponents.....
 
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Posted: 7/28/2009 12:38:32 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

A raise and a call means you are probably in trouble....you HAVE to hit a flop with that hand.....You should assume one of them has a pocket pair and your A/Q might be dominated by A/K ....
 
bottomline: getting your money all in with A/Q offsuit is rarely profitable, especially vs 2 opponents.....
 
gl bro


Yes I realized I was in trouble after the 3bet shove - but the best hand I was getting before my AQ was Q8 S and I was bleeding chips pretty bad
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Posted: 7/29/2009 1:41:29 AM
no need to microanalyze
this is a standard play
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Posted: 7/29/2009 4:28:57 AM
Ya I thgink its fine. What I think is really terrible is the guy with 55 smoothcalling 1500 with a 2800 chip stack. THATS awful lol

Seriously though, you got the big stack making a normal raise so Im shovin my AQ on him all day with your 7 blind stack. The 55's call isnt gonna deter me from pushing either. Youve got 7 blinds and AQ, cant wait much longer. Good move, sucked you ran into KK
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Posted: 7/29/2009 10:36:03 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

A raise and a call means you are probably in trouble....you HAVE to hit a flop with that hand.....You should assume one of them has a pocket pair and your A/Q might be dominated by A/K ....
 
bottomline: getting your money all in with A/Q offsuit is rarely profitable, especially vs 2 opponents.....
 
gl bro

All the money went in before the flop.  Once the guy with K-K re-shoved, he had to know he was in trouble.  But the only information he had before he had to make his decision was the fact that a loose player with a big stack made a standard pre-flop raise.  Sure he can call if he has a bigger stack, but it's shove or fold at that point.  And I don't know how you fold A-Q in the face of a standard raise by a loose player at a short-handed table.

You must just play too good. 

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Posted: 7/29/2009 1:25:34 PM
unfortunate you ran into kings
was in a mtt past weekend final six had k-k after i raised got reraised all in ran into a-a figured i was in deep garbage before i called
 
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Posted: 7/29/2009 9:12:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

All the money went in before the flop.  Once the guy with K-K re-shoved, he had to know he was in trouble.  But the only information he had before he had to make his decision was the fact that a loose player with a big stack made a standard pre-flop raise.  Sure he can call if he has a bigger stack, but it's shove or fold at that point.  And I don't know how you fold A-Q in the face of a standard raise by a loose player at a short-handed table.

You must just play too good. 

Not just a raise.....a raise AND a call.....that means your A/Q is probably garbage.... how many times do you have to get knocked out of a tourney holding a/q or a/k to realize they look really good pre flop until the other player flips over a pair....and a/q vs 2 random hands is a crapshoot....they make tables for that involving dice ....

nice attempt bro

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Posted: 7/29/2009 10:51:49 PM
Respectfully disagree bro, I think you would have made the same play, with the image reads at the table.
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Posted: 7/29/2009 11:47:59 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by AceDeuceShipIt:

Respectfully disagree bro, I think you would have made the same play, with the image reads at the table.

 

Im not saying you played poorly, i might have done the same thing, but you asked how you could improve. If it was late in the tourney, you also have to consider that the other shortstack will probably go all in, moving you up the pay ladder (if they pay that many spots)......a/q is only a good have if the player has a/rag or q/something...otherwise, its gonna be 50/50 or worse for you 9/10 times....

 

gl bro, good conversation

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Posted: 7/30/2009 2:00:21 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

 

Im not saying you played poorly, i might have done the same thing, but you asked how you could improve. If it was late in the tourney, you also have to consider that the other shortstack will probably go all in, moving you up the pay ladder (if they pay that many spots)......a/q is only a good have if the player has a/rag or q/something...otherwise, its gonna be 50/50 or worse for you 9/10 times....

 

gl bro, good conversation



Good insight my friend I was willing to make a big gamble to get atop the leader boards because I was already in the money.
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Posted: 8/1/2009 11:19:05 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

Not just a raise.....a raise AND a call.....that means your A/Q is probably garbage.... how many times do you have to get knocked out of a tourney holding a/q or a/k to realize they look really good pre flop until the other player flips over a pair....and a/q vs 2 random hands is a crapshoot....they make tables for that involving dice ....

nice attempt bro

Sorry, bro, but you are wrong.  Villain raised with KK and then A2 went all in.  QB called AFTER A2 went all in.  The only information A2 had to make his decision was a raise by a guy who was playing loose.  QB could have raised with a lot of hands there.  The only hands that A2 was NOT getting odds to call was A's, K's, or Q's.  He happened to have one of those hands.  If you could have figured that out, then you are a better player then I am. 

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Posted: 8/1/2009 11:20:23 AM
.....a raise AND a call.....
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The call was AFTER he went all in.  You can't use that to analyze the hand. 
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Posted: 8/1/2009 11:21:20 AM
the only one who played that hand poorly was kim528.
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Posted: 8/2/2009 12:48:16 AM
hows this for a bad beat flopped straight on flop the other player goes all in and i call he has trip 10s but hits when q comes on turn for full house
poker minds out there would you have called the all in it was tonites midnight madness tourn at full tilt came back there after 3 month layoff from there
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Posted: 8/2/2009 1:18:54 AM
paging akrons in need of a coach
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Posted: 8/4/2009 12:25:55 PM
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If he has trips on the flop, he has plenty of outs....7 on the turn and then 10 on the river.  So it's not that crazy that he hit his full house.  Either way, if you had the good end of the straight on the flop, you have to call IMO.  3:1 fav on the turn and then 4:1 or so on the river....if my math is right.  Just bad luck. 
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Posted: 8/4/2009 1:50:26 PM
yup i know just bads luck   its poker
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Posted: 8/4/2009 2:38:06 PM
flop a straight? you gotta gamble. I have played in limit games though where idiots call the flop with nothing, but a backdoor draw, and hit, and they scoop a big pot. I get pretty pissed as they hit about a 25:1 shot on the flop. But actually, we should beg to play with fools like this, as over a lifetime all of those "dead" bets add up for us. In a low limit game see how many players chase to the river, and invariably they miss. The key is to chase when the time is right, when the pot is big, or you have a pair and a great draw, or multiple draws.
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Posted: 8/8/2009 5:51:07 PM
Totally correct play.
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Posted: 8/10/2009 2:27:28 AM
Since you already had 600 invested in the big blind, you actually had the option to just call 900 more and see the flop  You may not have gotten away from AQ after that flop of KQ7, but I think a CALL was a much better play than a shove after a raise and call in front of you.  Not knowing their cards, you then shove if a queen or ace is the highest card on the flop.  If  a queen happens to be the high card, you just have to pay off the kings.
 
And if you miss the flop completely, you still have 3259 left in chips, even though the blinds are fairly high.  I think a pre-flop all-in by you should have only been considered if they both limped in.  If you had AK, it is only dominated pre-flop by AA, so I think you may just shove in that instance.  But you only had AQ, so I think going all-in was a POOR decision.
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Posted: 8/10/2009 10:23:57 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

Since you already had 600 invested in the big blind, you actually had the option to just call 900 more and see the flop  You may not have gotten away from AQ after that flop of KQ7, but I think a CALL was a much better play than a shove after a raise and call in front of you.  Not knowing their cards, you then shove if a queen or ace is the highest card on the flop.  If  a queen happens to be the high card, you just have to pay off the kings.
 
And if you miss the flop completely, you still have 3259 left in chips, even though the blinds are fairly high.  I think a pre-flop all-in by you should have only been considered if they both limped in.  If you had AK, it is only dominated pre-flop by AA, so I think you may just shove in that instance.  But you only had AQ, so I think going all-in was a POOR decision.


If I call I hit middle pair, KK checks the nuts, turn is a blank I bet my middle pair and I am fucked either way. Hindsight is 20/20.
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