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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:39:41 AM

That's why talking to them about logic and common sense is like talking to a man without ears.

 

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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:40:37 AM

The bottom line is that they want there to be a conspiracy and are constitutionally allergic to anything that points away from it.

 

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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:45:15 AM
sucks that there is so much emotion involved in this subject. Whats crazy is we could actually get somewhere if everyone would view the same amount of pros and cons for each individuals argument towards what happened ... you see event hough I know there are many other signs that point to the government.. the focal point should be on the physics and science....all of them admit that the planes or jet fuel could not of caused this... 

I remember when I first started gatherin information on this.. I swear I stopped many times because I started gettin this sick feeling... a feeling one could suggest as pure recognition as to what is true and what (using physics and elemental properties and how they break down) is false. Its so blatant... I will post small specific examples and not extended info ...if asked... but ask me specifically on what makes you so angry about my questioning... and I promise to have a formidable answer back.
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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:45:24 AM

It's essentially become a religious belief with the theorists that there was a cons piracy. behind 9/11, and with religious beliefs, the believer knows the truth, so has to be an explanation for everything that seems to contradict that truth.

 

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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:45:50 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by coldsnap55:

Because you know you can't answer my questions before I even ask it ..............I've seen you run and hide before numbnuts. 

Go drink your Kool-aid.....You are not smart enough to continue here.

In case you missed it. 

 

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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:46:49 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BMA:

The bottom line is that they want there to be a conspiracy and are constitutionally allergic to anything that points away from it.

 

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talk about irony... thats the single most used stragety for government supporters on this issue is not lookin directly at facts and going by faith
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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:49:40 AM

Their reasoning, then, is to start the debate assuming the very point that has to be proved (9/11 as a result of a conspiracy), and anything that is at odds with this belief has to an explanation, no matter how ridiculous and far-out it may be. Nothing you tell the conspiracy theorists can shake their belief in a conspiracy. In situations where even they come up with an explanation, they shield themselves from the evidence by either distorting or ignoring it.

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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:51:00 AM

This type of intellectual carpentry by the buffs allows them to proceed forward with their fantasy, unfazed by the inconvenient interposition of reality.

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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:52:54 AM
A good way I feel to start viewing information especially information on what took the towers down is to tell yourself to not judge guilt on either party but study and research on what could or would take those towers down and so on... non biased opinion either way is the best way
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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:56:50 AM

In fact, if Osama bin - Laden had appeared in front of them and said, "Hey, guys, knock off all this silliness. al-Qaeda did this and acted alone," they'd probably tell him, "Look, we know a heck of a lot about this case than you do, so go back to wherever you came from."

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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:57:28 AM
BMA keep postin quotes that have no substance on the questions asked ... if this was looked at as a criminal investigation... the government would be considered honestly as using diversion tactics by not answering any questions directly with as least the same amount of factual evidence being brought about by the questioning party
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Posted: 9/12/2011 3:59:11 AM

This is not the first time that IVEY ran away from answering any questions.........

http://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=87&sub=101050508&page=2

Still waiting on post #50 to get an answer. It's only been 4 months.   

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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:03:39 AM

As for Iw1nBets  .......is the Devil currently looking for an advocate?

 

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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:09:51 AM
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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:10:25 AM
BMA u still havent answered what you think personally happened that day to take those 3 towers down yet... just a bunch of indirect quotes not pointing at anything specific
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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:25:07 AM
this video and part 2 and the other parts of it is pretty damaging on what took the buildings down... like I said dont think of it as guilt either way .. be non biased actually watch it and think what at least has a better chance of being correct as to how the buildings would of fell...
use this as an informative tool but at least consume it 

Part 2 really talks about wtc 7 which is by far the most suspect of the 3 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LFwWXkvUOw&feature=related


and the movie ripple effect which is very informative.. on things you woudlnt see on mainstream media



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9127706080717077488


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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:27:48 AM
O.K .. at least watch that video ripple effect and if you still hate me for questioning it then I will apologize thoroughly to you personally.. but at least watch the video... its worth the time I promise
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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:28:11 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9127706080717077488
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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:29:51 AM
holy garbage Bets! looks like you got these manginas all wrinkled up tonight
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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:32:42 AM
 fast forward that ripple effect video to 16 minute mark if you want to get str8 to the point
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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:33:04 AM

The NIST report took 10,000 pages to consider in VERY FINE DETAIL, just how and why the buildings collapsed.

World Trade Center Disaster Study

On August 21, 2002, with funding from the U.S. Congress through FEMA, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) announced its building and fire safety investigation of the World Trade Center (WTC) disaster that occured on September 11, 2001.  The NIST WTC Investigation was conducted under the authority of the National Construction Safety Team Act.

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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:33:57 AM

The goals of the investigation of the WTC disaster were:

    To investigate the building construction, the materials used, and the technical conditions that contributed to the outcome of the WTC disaster.
    To serve as the basis for: improvements in the way buildings are designed, constructed, maintained, and used; improved tools and guidance for industry and safety officials; recommended revisions to current codes, standards, and practices; and improved public safety.

The specific objectives were:

    Determine why and how WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed following the initial impacts of the aircraft and why and how WTC 7 collapsed;
    Determine why the injuries and fatalities were so high or low depending on location, including all technical aspects of fire protection, occupant behavior, evacuation, and emergency response;
    Determine what procedures and practices were used in the design, construction, operation, and maintenance of WTC 1, 2, and 7; and
    Identify, as specifically as possible, areas in current building and fire codes, standards, and practices that warrant revision.

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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:35:45 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by misfits:

holy garbage Bets! looks like you got these manginas all wrinkled up tonight

just want them to at least get the chance to make a more informative decision.. dont really want any personal beef ya know
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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:36:35 AM
 

SUMMARY OF FINDINGS

Objective 1: Determine why and how WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed following the initial impacts of the aircraft.

  • The two aircraft hit the towers at high speed and did considerable damage to principal structural components (core columns, floors, and perimeter columns) that were directly impacted by the aircraft or associated debris. However, the towers withstood the impacts and would have remained standing were it not for the dislodged insulation (fireproofing) and the subsequent multi-floor fires. The robustness of the perimeter frame-tube system and the large size of the buildings helped the towers withstand the impact. The structural system redistributed loads from places of aircraft impact, avoiding larger scale damage upon impact. The hat truss, a feature atop each tower which was intended to support a television antenna, prevented earlier collapse of the building core. In each tower, a different combination of impact damage and heat-weakened structural components contributed to the abrupt structural collapse.


  • In WTC 1, the fires weakened the core columns and caused the floors on the south side of the building to sag. The floors pulled the heated south perimeter columns inward, reducing their capacity to support the building above. Their neighboring columns quickly became overloaded as columns on the south wall buckled. The top section of the building tilted to the south and began its descent. The time from aircraft impact to collapse initiation was largely determined by how long it took for the fires to weaken the building core and to reach the south side of the building and weaken the perimeter columns and floors.


  • In WTC 2, the core was damaged severely at the southeast corner and was restrained by the east and south walls via the hat truss and the floors. The steady burning fires on the east side of the building caused the floors there to sag. The floors pulled the heated east perimeter columns inward, reducing their capacity to support the building above. Their neighboring columns quickly became overloaded as columns on the east wall buckled. The top section of the building tilted to the east and to the south and began its descent. The time from aircraft impact to collapse initiation was largely determined by the time for the fires to weaken the perimeter columns and floor assemblies on the east and the south sides of the building. WTC2 collapsed more quickly than WTC 1 because there was more aircraft damage to the building core, including one of the heavily loaded corner columns, and there were early and persistent fires on the east side of the building, where the aircraft had extensively dislodged insulation from the structural steel.


  • The WTC towers likely would not have collapsed under the combined effects of aircraft impact damage and the extensive, multi-floor fires that were encountered on September11, 2001, if the thermal insulation had not been widely dislodged or had been only minimally dislodged by aircraft impact.


  • In the absence of structural and insulation damage, a conventional fire substantially similar to or less intense than the fires encountered on September 11, 2001, likely would not have led to the collapse of a WTC tower.


  • NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to September 11, 2001. NIST also did not find any evidence that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, photographs and videos from several angles clearly showed that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward, until the dust clouds obscured the view.

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Posted: 9/12/2011 4:36:48 AM
BMA have fun with this thread... like I said you all please just watch the video from 16 minutes on 
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