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Posted: 2/17/2012 3:01:03 PM
I have not been able to find the line on this fight yet, but just from my own standpoint, I hope that Rios is a favorite so I can pound Gamboa. I for one think Rios is a bit overrated and can be hit.
He may be in for a heap of trouble against Gamboa.

Any thoughts guys?

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Posted: 2/17/2012 3:36:29 PM
Gamboa is more of a hype than Rios.
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Posted: 2/17/2012 4:54:42 PM
You will hear a lot of strong, differing opinions on this fight.  That is a staple of awesome fights.
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Posted: 2/17/2012 6:38:43 PM
Interesting fight and I applaud both guys taking it and promoters organising it. Rios couldn't get down to 135 against Murray and Gamboa has to come up two weight divisions. I think Gamboa wins pretty easily on points. He is the technically more skilled fighter and Rios is clearly drained at the weight. I think Gamboa will open @-150 fav. Points being evens. I will take the points decision..
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Posted: 2/17/2012 7:12:19 PM
I think you'll get very good odds on this fight going the distance in any way.
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Posted: 2/17/2012 9:58:25 PM
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Posted: 2/17/2012 10:49:09 PM
Gamboa all day.
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Posted: 2/18/2012 12:01:07 PM
Most of the time, commentary sucks for boxing. Gamboa last fight a very interesting (and very true) point was made regarding Gamboa. He had such a long time in amateur that he still fights that way. The guy is sensational physically, and fundamentally. I do notice many opportunities he avoids to take advantage and finish an opponent, and he just combo's and moves. Look back when Floyd first started, he had like 90 fights amateur and then pro. He was also groomed as a pro superstar. Oscar made the transition so easily for several reasons... for one he started a pro-style late in his amateur career and also, as the light weight champ with his speed and jab, he destroyed everyone, even the great Chavez. Oscar just couldn't move up and bring power as he was a natural lefty fighting orthodox. He had no right hand power to fear for welterweights and higher. Curious how Gamboa will react as I see him start to just trade punch for punch as his speed and power has been way better than his competition.
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Posted: 2/18/2012 9:06:32 PM

Anyone recall that comment about fighting amateur so long he has trouble adjusting pro-style? First time I heard an intellectual foresight that I questioned for several of his bouts.
In Announcements: A vocabulary fluent quick wit thinker that calls the action. Very knowledgeable fighter/trainer that helps the recreation viewer better understands and also keep top handicappers thinking. The third guy should be a mix, depends on the type of fight. For a Winky, Hopkins, Marquez, Mayweather, etc... Technical masters I prefer 2 technical guys speaking styles, etc... and a good action caller that is not highly biased (Jim Lampley- cough cough; does anyone know when Lampley totally went overly biased, because when he called the Cotto-Clottey fight, if you weren't watching you would think one guy was fighting, especially in a fight where both guys were injured as Cotto had a huge gash and Clottey had injured his knee where it took several rounds for him to adjust his punches as he had no leverage).
For Heavyweight fights with not much technique, I'd prefer to good action announcers as maybe their high energy would carry over...LOL.
The Gamboa spending so many fights and years in amateur really hinders such a great talent. Now Gamboa who has been the faster and harder puncher in every fight is up against a much bigger guy who has that one punch KO power as well as 3" height advantage and the reach. (The reach many times is over-rated as the arm length is more of a factor. Remember, a few inches in reach could be just a wide torso. People often view the reach as the factor for jabbing and what not, but the wide torso advantage is an arm puncher can cut the ring off easier as he doesn't have to be as fast, he just must lean his torso. You see the often with Vitali Kiltschko as he leans back and forward and flicks the jab and the right also.
Back to the question(s):
Gamboa- Regarding his long amateur career: How much of a factor is it as a negative or positive? Can he adjust through training and also more importantly switch-up mid-fight?
Note: I did a POST 09/18/2011 on Gamboa history and some thoughts regarding the long time amateur comment.
Announcers- Who remembers that Gamboa amateur comment? What announcers are preferred by Covers members? Also, do you feel like I do regarding the fight would dictate the announcers and their styles?
I'll make a new thread (so please don't answer the upcoming question here), but if you had one announcer to choose, who do you take these days. Steward, Max, Merchant (ouch), Lampley (ouch ouch), RJJ, Atlas, (bring back Foreman? lol), etc. Also, anyone got an all-time list (like we do for boxers, but it's all opinion, at least in boxing you have two options... either leaving it up to judges (seemed like 2011 was weekly controversy... maybe we had bad water or strong sun spots.

Covers members: Thanks for your ongoing patience with my very often long winded posts, a few battles that got overly personal with members, and off-topic continuation on a thread. I do feel that when I've been PM'd regarding fights, have been very through and dedicated and also when asked in a thread directed for my opinion, I have been honest with no hidden agenda (tout, online U.S.gambling site,a return favorite, anything)

P.S.: Above is the post starting out as if: Gamboa, then I NOTE and POST (that's the link) to a write-up I did a week after his last bout. I will Copy&Paste as often the links seem to get no where.

Posted: 9/18/2011 3:19:35 AM

Gamboa's heaviest weigh-in was 133.5lbs at super-featherweight. He last weigh-in was 127. Welterweight is 147lbs and it's rare to see people not fight near the maximum weight. He's fought professional for 4.5 years at his weight and he will be 30 years of age by years end. He is comfortable and dominant at his weight and it is hard to speculate if he will be strong enough moving up that much, yet even at lightweight. Also, adding so much weight fast can be taxing if it's not natural and not only effects his speed, but his timing which is essential and effects his entire style. I understand your point of his sensational athletic skills of wanting to see him fight great fighters at higher weights. Rarely do I hear great commentary that is analytical about a fighter, but his last fight against Ponce de Leon, Max and others made the point about how he often has a fighter hurt or has the ability to KO opponents many times but he plays it safe just winning the round and they make the impression that having fought to long at amateur he brings that mentality and style into the professional game. His amateur career consists of over 300 fights and a long amateur career can have a negative effect on a fighter, and in this scenario I have to agree.

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Posted: 2/18/2012 9:37:59 PM
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Posted: 2/19/2012 9:17:08 PM
this fight reminds me a lot of mayweather vs vs castillo 1, the only difference is that gamboa is jumping up 2 weight classes as oppose to just one, to me gamboa is one of the very best athletes in the world, for rios, the weight has been an issue over his past few fights, but to me with his body type (he is not one of those muscular guys) it is as much about disapline as anything, this is a career defining fight for both guys, gomboa will come in natural(so he will be at full strength) and I think rios will stay more disaplined during the last week before the fight and make weight much more comfortably than in his last 2 fights,  the people that are picking gamboa and point to the weight as being the difference will be very disappointed, rios will be all over gamboa, just like castillo was to mayweather, the difference is that gamboa is not nearly as good defensively as floyd, so he will be hit in this one and hit a lot, can his chin hold up?   in the end  I see RIOS hurting gamboa frequently throughout the fight, he will do enough to win,   my only question is will he get the decision?  and my answer is YES, RIOS, by close decision in fight of the year type of fight.  the size( i see rios coming in around 150, with gamboa close to 140) the strength and more importantly the chin and determination of rios as well as the fast type of pressure that he puts on his opponents being enough, 126 to 135 without a tune up, bad move.
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Posted: 2/19/2012 9:33:23 PM
LOL- Funny you mention Mayweather-Castillo I because I just paused 4th round to do a search. Now I will read your post...
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Posted: 2/19/2012 10:24:42 PM
I would say Gamboa is the most athletically gifted fighter currently (via RJJ). I agree about a career defining moment, but I think Gamboa's freakish athleticism allows an open door more often (Tyson had that one punch KO power, and still was a huge fan base even when he had no chance... people believed "If Tyson just catches so-n-so just once then... etc,etc").
The one tough thing if Gamboa loses, you have to remember he is 30 years old and relies mostly on athleticism and his still amateur style (he has yet to adapt to pro-style).
Rios losing at age 25 is not as severe. The fans expect Gamboa to win, as watching him just once you see the great raw athletic talent.
thesoulpurpose: I also considered many of your key points. The big problem for Rios will be the speed and movement of Gamboa. This fight I believe his still amateur style helps keep him out of trouble. Stick and move with a few mix-em-up encounters to test the waters I'll watch so past fights and see how I think the fight will go and at what pace..

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Posted: 2/19/2012 11:27:28 PM
pressure fighters almost always give up speed, saddler vs pep, chavez vs camacho, fullmer vs robinson,  but the pace of this fight will be dictated by RIOS, he is not one of those slow pressure guys, like say hurricane carter or person tiger,( guys that wait for the perfect moment to attack) he is a fast pressure guy, like say,  dempsey, canzoneri, armstrong, guys who in the end more times than not make the opponent fight their fight, to me it's about gamboa being able to adjust to fighting rios's style and if he was fighting a featherweight with rios's style, I would pick gamboa,  their is a big difference between feather and lightweight, especially when you are going to be forced to fight the other mans fight. he will be in for a surprise when he hits rios with a 3 punch combo and rios is still right their in his chest, throwing back, he will not budge rios, while rios deffinitly has the power to hurt gamboa.  you can run but you can't hide as Joe Louis once said. rios will take a few to land a few, so we are in for one hell of a fight,  one of the rare fights nowadays that I am actually excited for.
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Posted: 2/19/2012 11:34:59 PM
ZOUK, did you finish that robinson bio? if so what did you think?
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LRM704: Have a heart... I know Im long winded... but I get into detail.
    
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Posted: 2/21/2012 11:44:27 PM
Zouk= Long responses, but knows his garbage. 
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ladderman: Thanks ladder, I know many ppl here are use to brief direct answers, but I get into detail. I try to cover as much without going to far... even if my post didn't give the answer they wanted, the detail could spark some new thoughts on their own that maybe helpful. Educational systems teach you what to think, not how to think.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 10:13:47 AM

ladderman-

many of us, if not all of us on covers, know boxing and how to cap it.

we just dont need someone to tell us how to do it after spending 20+ years doing it.

winners, not stories. winners.

thats what we all want here.

winners.

like mack05 and frankthetank had last weekend. especially mack, who went 3 for 3 and had two huge underdog winners in addition to his even money play.

ill put up with a guys mouth if hes a proven winner but a guy that doesnt make plays(present and future) and talks down to people...no way.

i like to go head up with a person like that.

its the only way to shut them up.

 

 

 

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Qncyk1: Wow... it is sad anytime someone asks for info regarding odds, a fight, or a compliment (to me), that you somehow respond about almost immediately (an hour after I post) with the same garbage. I congratulated others for weekend picks to but not directly, but they know who they are as they were the only ones who posted the plays.
Also, you have a serious ego problem, like I stated before, people compliment (and also take shots at me, but in a joking manner because most of my posts are long - I don't mind because it's true).
Now, you have been stalking me like a stray puppy. Are you JEALOUS? Are you the commanding officer in charge of posts?

You stated you are handicapping everyday (what real handicappers do)... the only boxing play you posted this month on a fight I can remember was
"rubio is a solid mw who can crack and chavez did not look good against light-hitting zbik, whom he could attack with impunity without fear of retribution. i laid -350 on jr in that fight and you can make a strong case that he lost.the body shots are what saved chavez in that fight and rubio knows this and will plan accordingly.
rubio will probably be +400 here in mexico and is a live dog."

Also, you stated I talk about past wins... you said you laid -350 on Chavez Jr, but you didn't post here until August and that fight was in June. I think that was a past-posting winner, would that be a YES?

As much as you try to knock-me down, members know the truth, so you can repeat and stalk me and get upset when I get a compliment, or be a MAN and post your own winners, which I have not seen any? You posted about 7 fights that you were capping and asked me about, but I had yet to see your plays? LOL - My assessment that you are a teenager without any real world experience is proving more and more, and if so then that's what kids do. If you are actually older and have life experience, then you need help (like you said I need a psychiatrist), maybe some medicine to control your OCD ( a common trait amongst stalkers).
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Posted: 2/22/2012 11:23:24 AM

alexander/maidana

rampage/bader

edgar/henderson

hunt/kongo

akiyama/shields

okami/boetsch

pettis/louzon

gomi/mitsuoka

yamamot/lee

we start with 20 units and use five dimes. props are accpetable.

now i know that you are a self-proclaimed mma fighter/amatuer boxer and i would appear to be at a distinct disadvantage but i have no problem with it.

lets go, zouk

everyone is waiting.

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Qncyk1: You are a tool. All the fights you mentioned, yet you picked Rubio this month in boxing. Now you want to just go down the list. KID, the beauty and advantage a REAL sports handicapper has is choosing his spots and the amount, not given a list. I thought by now you might know this, but that's what I get for assuming... LOL - Nobody is waiting except as little baby jerk-off who gets mad when I GET A COMPLIMENT.
DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT MUCH SOMEONE GIVES ME A COMPLIMENT? Are you also tracking my compliments and people asking my thoughts as opposed to yours?
The jealousy after one little comment another member makes... if you will feel better, just tell ladderman to take it back, and he was only kidding about me knowing my stuff.
BTW - Last time you offered a challenge (because you thought no-one had done it) you lost... YOU CAN"T ADMIT IT. Don't be heartless. Here is a refresher!

Notice his challenge "QUESTION" went from :
A:"name one fighter at 130-154 that had success after the age of 35.i'm only asking for one."
then after 2 different fighters names... he changes his question to
B:" i asked for an example of a 130-154 fighter that has been successful after the age of 35. i refuted pep because of his subpar competition(detailed in my previous post) and that he was not indeed successful against elite competition let alone b-level competition. i've got 685 posts on the ESB forums(under the same monicker), the premier boxing website. in fact, the only reason i started an account here on covers was to specifically thank one of the best cappers here on the baseball forums, Bodio."

I forgot besides Rubio (although you say he is a live dog, but you never do an analysis about the fight...), you did the same thing with that last big fight.
Originally Posted by Qncyk1:

 pbf is right at that age(35) of decline. and as you have pointed out, he may no longer have the passion for the game.

i dont think that the ortiz fight will be nearly as easy as some people think. in fact, i read nothing from current or past boxer saying as such.

and if pbf suffers an acccidental headbutt(not uncommon between orthodox and southpaws) the odds will drastically increrase in favor of ortiz, a 5-1 dog.

Talk about side stepping. You are so accurate when you did your last analysis of that fight you became a regular Nostradamus.
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