Proof Mayweather will NEVER fight Pacquio

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Posted: 6/5/2011 11:06:23 PM
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhS7p104ccpv6uTWOp

When you turn down $65 million, ESPECIALLY given Floyd's legal situation, it means he's ducking Pac Man at all costs.
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Posted: 6/9/2011 1:03:53 AM
I like sergio martinez to fight pacman. Its more interesting
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Posted: 6/9/2011 3:35:14 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by sunset:

I like sergio martinez to fight pacman. Its more interesting

What's so interesting about that? Martinez beat pacman so badly it tarnish his accomplishments to this point. 
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Posted: 6/9/2011 9:00:03 AM
Mayweather will fight one tune up, then he will fight pacquiao, and he will beat pacquiao, it won't be that close either
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Posted: 6/10/2011 8:39:28 PM
thesoulpurpose: Why would you think you Mayweather would need a tune-up? Why would he wait, the money is at a maximum currently and he only has one direction to go... downward! It's apparent Floyd has wanted no part of Manny. He could have fought Manny after he beat JMM or Mosley. Floyd's last 4 fights, Manny also fought the same opponents. Manny destroyed 3 of those fighters that Floyd beat in a much more convincing manner except for JMM. Now at 145lbs, Manny will beat JMM in viscious style.
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Posted: 6/16/2011 2:01:31 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by walktheline:


What's so interesting about that? Martinez beat pacman so badly it tarnish his accomplishments to this point. 


Its interesting cause sergio martinez KO'd the 6 feet 1 paul williams
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Posted: 6/16/2011 2:02:44 PM
knocking out martinez would be like knocking out paul williams
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Posted: 6/16/2011 10:31:28 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by sunset:

I like sergio martinez to fight pacman. Its more interesting
i think so
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Posted: 6/18/2011 1:40:42 PM
Sergio if he fought with a lot of movement would beat Manny. He has fast hands, naturally bigger guy with reach advantage. Martinez seems to do best inside fighting, which would allow Manny combo shots. If Sergio stayed disciplined and used constant foot movement would win a decision. Also, I doubt Arum would take that fight, it doesn't generate the general public interest. Ask the average non-fight fan who watches major fights "Who is Martinez?"... "Who?". No big $ with a lot of risk. Martinez vs Pavlik I made a huge wager on Martinez and prop Martinez by decision. I thought no way Pavlik could win, maybe a miracle shot but Sergio has a chin so that minimized that risk.
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Posted: 6/18/2011 9:16:38 PM

Maybe, but sergio martinez lost to Margarito and margarito is bigger than sergio. Sergio fights with his hands down which would open him with pacmans fist in all angles!

Thats the fight that makes more sense !! 

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Posted: 6/18/2011 9:23:03 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by sunset:

Maybe, but sergio martinez lost to Margarito and margarito is bigger than sergio. Sergio fights with his hands down which would open him with pacmans fist in all angles!

Thats the fight that makes more sense !! 


Martinez would DESTROY Manny. Any other talk is nonsense. 
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Posted: 6/19/2011 4:43:52 PM
sunset: Martinez vs Margarito has nothing to do with Manny. It's styles, and styles and size make fights. It's totally irrelevant. You are right that martinez keeps his hands low, but it's his style and he does well becomes of great footwork. Roy Jones Jr fought with hands down too!
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Posted: 6/19/2011 5:22:39 PM
Also, 11 years ago, Manny wasn't the same fighter he is to day either. Both improved dramatically, and maybe Margarito had on those special gloves (hmmm...).
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Posted: 6/20/2011 3:58:22 PM

walktheline: You seem to have a good understanding and analysis of fights. Even though I agree about Martinez vs Manny, do you feel this way because Martinez is primed and at his best now, Manny is declining, the match-up, Manny is over-rated, some or all the above, etc...? I was curious why you had such a strong opinion about that fight. Personally, I think Floyd won't even fight Manny even though I feel he would win but doesn't want to take the chance. As much BS that Floyd pulls in and outside the ring, you can't take away his skills and proven. It is a tarnish to his legacy by not fighting Manny. Also, you think Manny is or has used any illegal supplements at any time?

sunset: You do realize that the Margarito/Martinez fight over a decade ago has no relevance? A one-handed Manny fighter was picked apart by Morales, and after work with Roach, he KO's Morales in a rematch, then a 3rd fight was a total mis-match. Manny pounced him around and Morales refused to continue stating that Manny was too strong and much better now and continuing a fight he felt he had no chance was foolish and dangerous (this statement coming from a true warrior in the ring; look what a way over-the-hill Morales did toe-to-toe against Maidana).

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Posted: 6/22/2011 1:30:12 PM
If surgio martinez is so great why doesnt he have a re-match with Margarito
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Posted: 6/22/2011 3:05:44 PM
Lose-Lose situation. Won't bring in large revenues as other fights and he has nothing to gain.
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Posted: 6/22/2011 5:24:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ZOUK:

walktheline: You seem to have a good understanding and analysis of fights. Even though I agree about Martinez vs Manny, do you feel this way because Martinez is primed and at his best now, Manny is declining, the match-up, Manny is over-rated, some or all the above, etc...? I was curious why you had such a strong opinion about that fight. Personally, I think Floyd won't even fight Manny even though I feel he would win but doesn't want to take the chance. As much BS that Floyd pulls in and outside the ring, you can't take away his skills and proven. It is a tarnish to his legacy by not fighting Manny. Also, you think Manny is or has used any illegal supplements at any time?

sunset: You do realize that the Margarito/Martinez fight over a decade ago has no relevance? A one-handed Manny fighter was picked apart by Morales, and after work with Roach, he KO's Morales in a rematch, then a 3rd fight was a total mis-match. Manny pounced him around and Morales refused to continue stating that Manny was too strong and much better now and continuing a fight he felt he had no chance was foolish and dangerous (this statement coming from a true warrior in the ring; look what a way over-the-hill Morales did toe-to-toe against Maidana).


All of those reasons combined. Martinez has incredible stamina and is a natural middleweight. He also would hold a SOLID 15 lb advantage, as in chiseled in shape weight. Martinez is as talented as Manny in all areas except he is a couple weight classes above him.  

Great answer to Sunset. Margarito? Why? 
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Posted: 6/22/2011 7:42:05 PM

walktheline: I feel the same way. I think punching power is nearly equal, but his great stamina with movement is hard to keep up with. Even the Williams 1st fight it was great. I think Sunset doesn't understand the politics involved, we don't get great matches because they want them, it's money generation. Oscar was a great over-achiever in this and put it to use in promotions and saving boxing! I think you mis-took my thread on Floyd hypocrisy. I know it's like WWE where you generate more interest in attitudes, etc..., but Floyd's arrogance is exceeding highly shown, yet I feel he is insecure. When I watched Floyd in the 90's I knew I was watching a great great fighter. He had the same attitude back then, and confidence is good, but an overly need to put it out there before he proved it in the ring shows he either states it to fool himself and others maybe as well. Most people think I fall for 24/7 promotion, etc. I know the real world, I fought and 99% of pro athletes especially boxers and MMA have a great respect for any other professional including in the ring. Few times, as in heavyweights it is more a pyschological battle becomes they aren't as talented as smaller fighters, so just a hesitation toward another opponent could make the difference. It the lower weights, they bring it cause even they know what exactly they are up against and 90% the time know how it will end. That's why I never watched Floyd-Marquez, it was promotion... no chance for Marquez, he was beat in every category except his chin and heart have seen battles most fighters couldn't muster. Floyd is smart and never put himself in a bad spot in the ring. He isn't an over crowd pleaser, and as defensive first as he fights he does open up when the risk is minimal and he can take a guy out. His fight against Oscar I was suprised, that either Oscar fought better than expected, Mayweather fought sub-par, or maybe Mayweather has trouble with talented taller fighters. Also southpaw with 3" height may have caused Mayweather to adjust more than expected.

Another note: Remember Floyd's statement he doesn't watch video of opponent and Roger Mayweather said that it is a waste. I believed Floyd that his past opponents he maybe never watched their fights, but I know he and his corner watched Mosley footage. This is a fact. I don't watch to many promotions so I'm not sure if they showed Floyd lounging watching tapes on 24/7. Funny, Manny doesn't seem to watch much film and trust his corner to do the breakdowns. I'm sure I've seen a promo w/ Manny watching but he normally won't do much of it, and Roach is superb anyways so just using Freddie's advice will do it.

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Posted: 6/23/2011 1:14:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ZOUK:

Lose-Lose situation. Won't bring in large revenues as other fights and he has nothing to gain.

margarito and sergio would be a very interesting fight its worth the money id pay to watch it. will it sell tickets absolutely. What large revenues, when sergio martinez KO paul williams it only drew a crowd of 5,502 fans at Boardwalk Hall  lol.  I bet a margarito vs sergio martinez would probably draw bigger crowd possibly around 12.000 or more. 

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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:11:54 AM
sunset: What is the fascination with Margarito you have? After the Margarito gloves controversy he had 3 fights. In 2009 Mosley destroyed him round after round with a finishing 9th round TKO. He won a decision over Garcia who has yet to fight a good opponent. Late last year Manny destroyed him leaving his face looking disfigured. Winky Wright, Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez have been the most ducked fighters around the weight class for half a decade or longer. Why you may ask... because they are great fighters but lack the super-star quality and action packed fights that people love. Winky makes fighters looks bad, Williams throws so much he wears down opponents, and Sergio until now wasn't worth the risk. Margarito was a ducked fighter but unlike those fighters, he had some crowd pull. After the glove scandal, he changes his gloves in the changing room and Mosley cleans him up. Remember Cotto and Mosley went toe-to-toe for 12 rounds with Cotto winnning a close fight. Margarito took everything Cotto hit him with, but maybe he knew something (like he had plaster gloves that hardened and giving him the edge he needed and inspired him to fight on and then TKO cotto). Now he beats Garcia in a decision then gets beat to a pulp by Manny. Where did those hard punches go that he cut Cotto up with? Remember he lost a 12 round decision to Paul Williams. Williams got a head and got tired which is rare, but he won a clear decision. Also, prior to Mosley, Margarito knocked out undefeated Cintron twice. Where did the power go? Also, he's never mentioned as upcoming opponents when fighters win and they ask who's next. He use to be up on the list... now, he's bottoming out. Besides the fight not creating revenues which is the #1 reason 99% of fights happen, it is possible Margarito could cause Sergio difficulties with his size. Not likely because Williams wasn't a major problem so a declining Margarito has ZERO benefit to a rising Martinez. Lose-lose situation. Also you mention crowd draw... it's the PPV or pay station that counts. What percent of crowd revenues compares to the viewing revenues and rights to rebroadcast it is? LOL - Understand. Also, it's not just one fight at a time, they look at the possible upcoming prospects for the next 2-3 fights and match-ups that creat REVENUE for owners, promoters, broadcasters and even the fighters themselves get a share (lol).
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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:25:35 AM

Just to clear up come misunderstandings I wanted to post a simple comaprison. Someone was posting how many people certain fights had as live spectators, so I'll start with the top.

Largest Boxing Top Producing Fight from Paid Fans at the Event May 5, 2007 - Floyd Mayweather vs Oscar de la Hoya - Brought in $18,419,200 in revenues with 17,078 fans that were paid spectators.
The fight generated $120 MILLION for a single PPV event! So, for those posting crowd attendance, you can take the gate and I'll take the TV cake.

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