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Posted: 10/7/2012 7:24:38 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/ondeadline/2012/10/05/cops-charge-mom-for-dent-in-police-car-that-killed-son/1616197/
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Posted: 10/7/2012 7:59:44 PM
Maybe just call it even?
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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:00:03 PM
What I don't understand is if the mother is financially responsible for paying this debt? I know if the guy was married that the spouse would be held accountable, but are debt inherited in the United States?
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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:01:34 PM
I know that if a cop dies while chasing a criminal, that the criminal is held accountable for the cop's death, but this doesn't make sense passing the bill onto the mother. This guy was 27 years old.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:05:55 PM
Another case of the cops showing no mercy against a member of the minority community and then adding salt to what is already an wound that cannot heal.

I have to ask you Slovak, should the 'Rule of Law' as you say be followed in this case? That is, should the cops aggressively pursue this man as they please, leading to their ramming of him with their car and eventual head injury which caused his death, for (let's highlight the crime):

Stealing decorative stones.

Is the world a better place now that the decorative stone thief is dead and gone. Are all our respective patios and or walkways more beautiful? 

Is 'theft' just 'theft' in all cases and the way the cops arbitrarily handle pursuits within their purview of a authority, even if it leads to death?

This isn't much different than the detox video I just posted. It is a cop reacting with immense aggression for what are bad but largely benign crimes in hindsight, especially given what is doled out in comparison, that is, death in this case and potential brain damage in the other. 

On another notes, when a cop pursues a man for stealing stones and kills him with his car (a deadly weapon), do you think his race could have anything to do with it? Or was this cop just saying, "That's a thief and I don't see color" while you believe him.

Because if you believe him, you implicitly license this behavior. And will see it again and again and again...
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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:10:01 PM
Scalabrine, I really couldn't find out exactly how this happened other than he got hit with the car running around in the housing project, i don't know of he ran out in front of the car, tripped and fell, or if the cops straight out ran him down.

The guy was a thief and that was why he was running in the first place, so let's start there.

I am just curious if the mother is responsible for paying this bill. I would think that she should not be.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:15:55 PM
I also don't know what the race of the cops that hit him was, so I can't answer if ti was racially motivated or not. It said the dent was on the side of the car, so that seems a bit odd. It could have been an accident. If the guy wasn't up to no good in the first place, this wouldn't have happened.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213903/Talk-adding-insult-injury-NYPD-bills-family-slain-man-710-repair-dent-body-patrol-car-stuck-dead.html
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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:18:59 PM
I am not concerned with the guy getting hit and killed as he was the master of his own destiny, but the mother should most definitely be held responsible for paying this $710 bill.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:20:27 PM
Nevermind, the cops apologized for billing the dead man.

http://news.yahoo.com/york-officials-apologize-billing-man-killed-cop-car-201008483--abc-news-topstories.html


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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:28:53 PM
This is pretty fucked up here. What the Hell is going on in New York?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/05/14240162-unarmed-man-shot-dead-by-police-in-nyc?lite
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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:40:06 PM
I dont know...the cops in this country are despised... I guess gestapo tactics are not a crowd fav...
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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:57:16 PM

According to this the cops blocked the guy's path and he ran head first into the side of the car car. This explains the dent. To be honest this whole story is screwy from everyone's angle.


Mr. Robinson illegally dug up cobblestones and sold them to scrap dealers, a sideline that had gotten him arrested numerous times.

The officers followed him for about 100 yards in their car, turned up a fenced-in sloping walkway to the front door of his mother’s apartment building, then veered into his path. The result was a collision that left a large dent on the driver’s side of the car just above one of the front tires.

Police officials have labeled the death an accident, and the initial police report said Mr. Robinson “did run into the side” of the police car and fell backward onto the pavement, causing the fatal injuries to his head.

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Posted: 10/7/2012 9:14:07 PM
happens all the time...
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Posted: 10/7/2012 9:36:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Slovak:

Scalabrine, I really couldn't find out exactly how this happened other than he got hit with the car running around in the housing project, i don't know of he ran out in front of the car, tripped and fell, or if the cops straight out ran him down.

The guy was a thief and that was why he was running in the first place, so let's start there.

I am just curious if the mother is responsible for paying this bill. I would think that she should not be.

I can tell you they ran him down with his car according to eyewitness accounts (which you relied heavily upon in the Chavis Carter thread). He did not jump in front of the car (who the hell would?)

I'll also tell you that every single human being that has ever lived has three primary reactions whenever faced with danger or negative environmental stimuli: freeze, flight or fight. 

This is a limbic reaction (emotional brain) which overrides your rational brain (prefrontal cortex) in almost all instances. If human, throughout history, thought rationally about running from a tiger or bear or fire or enemies, we would waste precious time and be killed in the process thereby ending our species.

Why say all this? Why the human history lesson? 

Because running is COMPLETELY RATIONAL for all races, specifically the human race and the bottom line is that when it occurs a man shouldn't get run down by a car for doing so. It shouldn't be a death sentence. It's not an excuse but simply the way we react and no one, including you, me or joe shmo should DIE FOR IT because the danger (and they are a danger) we chose to run from were the police.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 9:39:45 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Slovak:

According to this the cops blocked the guy's path and he ran head first into the side of the car car. This explains the dent. To be honest this whole story is screwy from everyone's angle.


Mr. Robinson illegally dug up cobblestones and sold them to scrap dealers, a sideline that had gotten him arrested numerous times.

The officers followed him for about 100 yards in their car, turned up a fenced-in sloping walkway to the front door of his mother’s apartment building, then veered into his path. The result was a collision that left a large dent on the driver’s side of the car just above one of the front tires.

Police officials have labeled the death an accident, and the initial police report said Mr. Robinson “did run into the side” of the police car and fell backward onto the pavement, causing the fatal injuries to his head.


Mr Robinson ran into the car to create a dent in it?????????

I've said it a million times before. Only the living story survives and it ALWAYS suits their innocence.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 10:17:15 PM
I'm confused. Was the repair bill for the son to get fixed up, or the car?
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Posted: 10/7/2012 10:38:43 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Slovak:

This is pretty fucked up here. What the Hell is going on in New York?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/05/14240162-unarmed-man-shot-dead-by-police-in-nyc?lite

This happens ALL the TIME in NYC.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 5:11:34 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by The Hawk:

I'm confused. Was the repair bill for the son to get fixed up, or the car?





I always enjoy your humor Hawk, but we are talking about murder here.  People are dead without just cause.


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Posted: 10/9/2012 12:07:14 PM
If they ran him down and hit him, they got some splainin' to do.  If they were chasing him and he hit something and fell and cracked his head, that's on the thief.  

If a person is a minor and IF the person goes out of their way to cause damage to the cop car (like kicking it while getting cuffed and putting a dent in it), then I'd say the parents should be responsible.

But if the cops ran him down and that created the damage, F the cops.  
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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:45:00 AM

But hey, lets all forget about this career criminal who was stealing someone else's property, got caught, then ran from police.  In fact...lets just let ALL criminals get away, that way no one can be blamed for the sheer lack of respect and stupidity of guy like this dude. 

This is a prime example of "reaping what you sow".  I would guarantee that this guy would be alive if he simply stopped.

No, I don't think he deserved to die for his crimes...but HE made that choice and was forced to deal with the consequences.

Say this guy was stealing stones out of my backyard and I give chase and he runs into my shed and dies.  By the logic laid out here, this would be MY fault that he died.  But let's go on continually passing the blame onto someone other that the one making the dumb decisions.  Continue to enable criminals....you guys are fucked in the head.

Survival of the fittest at its finest

BTW, you all forgot to mention that his POS mother is suing the city for 10 million.  Again, allowing the least intelligent of our species to thrive

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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:50:09 AM

Subway

 

 

 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 6:45:01 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by adamjoe:

But hey, lets all forget about this career criminal who was stealing someone else's property, got caught, then ran from police.  In fact...lets just let ALL criminals get away, that way no one can be blamed for the sheer lack of respect and stupidity of guy like this dude. 

This is a prime example of "reaping what you sow".  I would guarantee that this guy would be alive if he simply stopped.

No, I don't think he deserved to die for his crimes...but HE made that choice and was forced to deal with the consequences.

Say this guy was stealing stones out of my backyard and I give chase and he runs into my shed and dies.  By the logic laid out here, this would be MY fault that he died.  But let's go on continually passing the blame onto someone other that the one making the dumb decisions.  Continue to enable criminals....you guys are fucked in the head.

Survival of the fittest at its finest

BTW, you all forgot to mention that his POS mother is suing the city for 10 million.  Again, allowing the least intelligent of our species to thrive


"POS mother"

We share the world with people like this. 

It's amazing this person was once a child like any other; nursed to health; taught how to share/respect/be considerate. 

And this is the end result...

A man who calls the mother of a dead kid, one who was hit by a police car (choose to believe that he hit his head and fell into the car as the living police stand over the dead body filling out their report with illogical and laughable scenarios), a POS...

Imagine that...

How does one get to a point in life where they type that...

About a mother...

Of a dead son...

People should reflect on that while looking in the mirror...

Don't let yourself fall into the same abyss of hate as this person...

There likely is no rope of empathy long enough to retrieve him from it...
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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:50:19 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by adamjoe:

But hey, lets all forget about this career criminal who was stealing someone else's property, got caught, then ran from police.  In fact...lets just let ALL criminals get away, that way no one can be blamed for the sheer lack of respect and stupidity of guy like this dude. 

This is a prime example of "reaping what you sow".  I would guarantee that this guy would be alive if he simply stopped.

No, I don't think he deserved to die for his crimes...but HE made that choice and was forced to deal with the consequences.

Say this guy was stealing stones out of my backyard and I give chase and he runs into my shed and dies.  By the logic laid out here, this would be MY fault that he died.  But let's go on continually passing the blame onto someone other that the one making the dumb decisions.  Continue to enable criminals....you guys are fucked in the head.

Survival of the fittest at its finest

BTW, you all forgot to mention that his POS mother is suing the city for 10 million.  Again, allowing the least intelligent of our species to thrive

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Posted: 10/11/2012 3:51:31 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


"POS mother"

We share the world with people like this. 

It's amazing this person was once a child like any other; nursed to health; taught how to share/respect/be considerate. 

And this is the end result...

A man who calls the mother of a dead kid, one who was hit by a police car (choose to believe that he hit his head and fell into the car as the living police stand over the dead body filling out their report with illogical and laughable scenarios), a POS...

Imagine that...

How does one get to a point in life where they type that...

About a mother...

Of a dead son...

People should reflect on that while looking in the mirror...

Don't let yourself fall into the same abyss of hate as this person...

There likely is no rope of empathy long enough to retrieve him from it...
Haha yea because that's the rational thing to do is sue the city for 10million right? You have the scenario in your head that the boy was ran down, but the dent is in the side of the car how does that work?
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