Gambling and addictive substances

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Posted: 8/11/2012 10:49:09 AM
This is a question for all of you big time gamblers.  Do you find when you are on a gambling binge that you crave cigarettes, booze, food that is bad for you, and all the like that has addictive properties to the mind?  Ive noticed when I used to gamble and go on these crazy winning streaks that I would just do other things that were detrimental to myself and its like there really is a cross sensitization factor with gambling and other feel good things.  Gambling really is bad in more than one way (not just financially) but it is bad in that it encourages unhealthy eating and drinking binges.  I want to hear other peoples' experiences and/or thoughts to this topic.  Thanks in advance, and anything said that is constructive is well appreciated.
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Posted: 8/11/2012 2:58:21 PM
You just described everything I love. On my binges I am compelled to have random raw dog sex with person. Plus every two wins I cut the head off a live chicken.
Not only am I a degenerate, I have a few superstions.


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Posted: 8/11/2012 3:02:45 PM
Superstitions.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 6:45:37 PM
Before gambling, I always craved junk food. Doesn't apply.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 7:20:48 PM
drink after the bets are in, not before! 
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Posted: 8/12/2012 7:24:49 PM
I actually drink less watching sports now helps stop the 2nd half chase!
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Posted: 8/12/2012 7:31:53 PM
I gain about 10 lbs every football season thx mostly to nachos, steak sandwiches and bud light, I just about burned off last seasons weight gain just in time for the 2012 season.
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Posted: 8/13/2012 12:51:15 AM
ha.

ever been a viet coffee shop?

nude/topless or bottomless, endless bookies, coffee tats strong, cigarettes... endless sports on tv.


some people have sex and right after they go str8 for the smartphone and check their balance on their mobile app of their online betting account 








anyways, i always wondered why theyre fat girls hanging around w. hot girls. 
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Posted: 8/13/2012 1:34:55 AM

We have a direct correlation between gambling and neurochemical changes in our central nervous system. In relation to the "fight or flight" phenomenon, gamblers secrete much more Dopamine than a non gamblers thus producing electrophysiological and cognitive disturbances. Along with Dopamine receptors, we also increase our cortisol levels which is a "stress" hormone. When cortisol levels rise, our blood glucose is consumed so our brain tells us we need more sugar to compensate for our losses which is why we tend to crave simple carbs/sugars. I could write a thesis on this garbage but you get the picture.

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Posted: 8/13/2012 1:43:10 AM

I take B100 complex vitamens to keep that cortisol garbage under control. My man amd is an educated guy.

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Posted: 8/13/2012 1:56:26 AM

Lance...I don't claim to be the sharpest tool in the shed but this topic is at least something I'm familiar with.

B vitamins

 

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Posted: 8/13/2012 2:46:12 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by amd:

We have a direct correlation between gambling and neurochemical changes in our central nervous system. In relation to the "fight or flight" phenomenon, gamblers secrete much more Dopamine than a non gamblers thus producing electrophysiological and cognitive disturbances. Along with Dopamine receptors, we also increase our cortisol levels which is a "stress" hormone. When cortisol levels rise, our blood glucose is consumed so our brain tells us we need more sugar to compensate for our losses which is why we tend to crave simple carbs/sugars. I could write a thesis on this garbage but you get the picture.



you are not addicted to gambling... you are addicted to what happens in the chemistry set that is your brain and body when you add gambling and/or other substances to the mix

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Posted: 8/13/2012 2:50:59 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by and1jshooter:

This is a question for all of you big time gamblers.  Do you find when you are on a gambling binge that you crave cigarettes, booze, food that is bad for you, and all the like that has addictive properties to the mind?  Ive noticed when I used to gamble and go on these crazy winning streaks that I would just do other things that were detrimental to myself and its like there really is a cross sensitization factor with gambling and other feel good things.  Gambling really is bad in more than one way (not just financially) but it is bad in that it encourages unhealthy eating and drinking binges.  I want to hear other peoples' experiences and/or thoughts to this topic.  Thanks in advance, and anything said that is constructive is well appreciated.


I dont like to drink and gamble... messes with my body chemistry... I do like things like adderal when i hit the casinos...

as for sports betting I like to be sober before betting... and lighting one up when I win...  prefer drinking when I lose... but I guess I spark up regardless of winning or losing... or gambling for that matter...

This is also a chicken and egg discussion... not everyone is hard wired to gamble or get into behavioral addictions... so it could be said that people with addictive personalities might also drink/eat in a similar manner...

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Posted: 8/13/2012 10:14:48 AM

"We have a direct correlation between gambling and neurochemical changes in our central nervous system. In relation to the "fight or flight" phenomenon, gamblers secrete much more Dopamine than a non gamblers thus producing electrophysiological and cognitive disturbances. Along with Dopamine receptors, we also increase our cortisol levels which is a "stress" hormone. When cortisol levels rise, our blood glucose is consumed so our brain tells us we need more sugar to compensate for our losses which is why we tend to crave simple carbs/sugars. I could write a thesis on this garbage but you get the picture. "

 No wonder I drink so much soda while stressing out during a ball game or poker tournament.

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Posted: 8/13/2012 10:27:39 AM
what is the problem here? 
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Posted: 8/13/2012 10:27:43 AM
NHS Gambling Addiction Video
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Posted: 8/13/2012 11:00:04 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:



I dont like to drink and gamble... messes with my body chemistry... I do like things like adderal when i hit the casinos...

as for sports betting I like to be sober before betting... and lighting one up when I win...  prefer drinking when I lose... but I guess I spark up regardless of winning or losing... or gambling for that matter...

This is also a chicken and egg discussion... not everyone is hard wired to gamble or get into behavioral addictions... so it could be said that people with addictive personalities might also drink/eat in a similar manner...



Amphetamines .
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Posted: 8/13/2012 2:06:22 PM
AMD, great article. So with gambling having these types of effects, if you don't mind me asking, what do you do to counter it and keep a healthy balance?
I always have difficulties sleeping, I dream a lot so never feel rested in the morning, I am wondering if the cortisone level you discussed above could be affecting this. Thanks in advance.
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Posted: 8/13/2012 4:33:08 PM

beamjim...Hey buddy, it's been awhile

My previous post was somewhat generic though I wanted the  forum to realize their is a direct correlation between gambling and healh, CNS & adrenal function, in particular. To answer your question as to what we need to do to maintain homeostasis, it's relative to the individual. However, in general, the best thing to do is exercise with periods of aerobic activity as aerobics decreases cortisol levels. Vitamin C....1000 mg/day reduces cortisol. Stay away from caffeine as it increases cortisol levels. Insomia increases cortisol levels so if you have trouble sleeping you may want to try melatonin capsules. Just remember, without exercise, gambling may potentiate weight gain, depression, insomnia, heart disease, digestive problems, etc. which is all associated with adrenal function and CNS. 

As for your sleeping disturbance, has anyone suggested to you that you might have sleep apnea? Have you ever been tested? In any case, stress could be a leading factor to your sleep disturbance. Changing a few habits could help you significantly. A simple checkup can answer a lot of questions you may have....sleep study to rule out apnea, get your thyroid checked, get your blood drawn to rule out a variety of abnormalities including high cortisol levels.

The two things that really help me is to win more bets than I lose and darn a lot. I'll take her in the room and darn at halftime if I need to.....it really does the trick  

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Posted: 8/13/2012 4:58:14 PM
amd do you recommend taking b vitamins daily, do u feel any different from adding this to your diet?   interesting stuff you posted about cortisol levels and the dopamine receptors in gamblers v non gamblers 
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Posted: 8/13/2012 9:18:28 PM
It's funny... On most nights my plays are in by 5:30 and I don't even check a score until around 11 or so, Sometimes not till morning. Unless it's a Big Play
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Posted: 8/13/2012 10:01:21 PM
A strong showing for worst thread in Covers history.
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Posted: 8/13/2012 11:45:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by phat03:

It's funny... On most nights my plays are in by 5:30 and I don't even check a score until around 11 or so, Sometimes not till morning. Unless it's a Big Play


This is what I have somewhat evolved into doing most of the time. When I first started gambling I wanted to watch every last bit of every game I bet on. Now, I watch if it's going well, and if it starts out shitty I just turn it to something else. I used to lose sleep if I didn't know a final score before bed, now I just wake up check the results and get on with my day.
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Posted: 8/14/2012 2:17:43 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BMA:



Amphetamines .


not my substance of choice, but seems to give me the dopamine I enjoy along with the gambling...

what is your substance of choice to go with gambling?


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Posted: 8/14/2012 2:49:50 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by amd:

beamjim...Hey buddy, it's been awhile

My previous post was somewhat generic though I wanted the  forum to realize their is a direct correlation between gambling and healh, CNS & adrenal function, in particular. To answer your question as to what we need to do to maintain homeostasis, it's relative to the individual. However, in general, the best thing to do is exercise with periods of aerobic activity as aerobics decreases cortisol levels. Vitamin C....1000 mg/day reduces cortisol. Stay away from caffeine as it increases cortisol levels. Insomia increases cortisol levels so if you have trouble sleeping you may want to try melatonin capsules. Just remember, without exercise, gambling may potentiate weight gain, depression, insomnia, heart disease, digestive problems, etc. which is all associated with adrenal function and CNS. 

As for your sleeping disturbance, has anyone suggested to you that you might have sleep apnea? Have you ever been tested? In any case, stress could be a leading factor to your sleep disturbance. Changing a few habits could help you significantly. A simple checkup can answer a lot of questions you may have....sleep study to rule out apnea, get your thyroid checked, get your blood drawn to rule out a variety of abnormalities including high cortisol levels.

The two things that really help me is to win more bets than I lose and darn a lot. I'll take her in the room and darn at halftime if I need to.....it really does the trick  



thanks amd

could you please reference any of the following

High quality meta-analyses, systematic reviews of RCTs, or RCTs with a very low risk of bias

 Well conducted meta-analyses, systematic reviews, or RCTs with a low risk of bias

 Meta-analyses, systematic reviews, or RCTs with a high risk of bias

 High quality systematic reviews of case control or cohort studies

High quality case control or cohort studies with a very low risk of confounding or bias and a high probability that the
relationship is causal

 Well conducted case control or cohort studies with a low risk of confounding or bias and a moderate probability that the
relationship is causal

 Case control or cohort studies with a high risk of confounding or bias and a significant risk that the relationship is not
causal

 Non-analytic studies, eg case reports, case series

 Expert opinion

on your advice to treat Cortisol levels in addiction, gambling. Cortisol levels that are not Cushings or Addisons levels.

Or any clinical Guidelines on anxiety/stress that recommend such treatments of non pathological Cortisol levels.


Any thoughts on the normal circadian variation in Cortisol levels from highs at 6-8am in the morning (5-25ug/dl) to Midnight (<1.8ug/dl) ref Merck Manual.

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