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#76 Posted: 5/8/2012 12:27:33 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
Picture of diffuser case found at the pentagon:
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/parts.html
Drawing of a diffuser case from a 757
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x32304
They match.
How many large parts are you going to expect to find when a plain made largely of aluminum slams into a concrete building at 500+ miles an hour?
More PICTURE evidence. 757 rim found at the pentagon.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_20b.htm
What more do you want?
none of these pictures prove or disprove anything. In fact the 3rd and 4th picture posted in the bolder link doesn't seem like it was taken from the pentagon...notice different bricks in the wall.
theory goes...a drone flew into the pentagon building. It's very difficult, almost impossible for huge 757 airliner to maneuver itself into the building. It's so easy to prove the theorist wrong if the govt would provide videos taken from security cameras yet they suppress that type of info.......WHAT and WHY are they hiding it?
who said the govt doesn't know how to keep secrets...lol
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#77 Posted: 5/8/2012 1:03:19 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wolffer12: Here is my question about flight 93 and the one that hit the pentagon. If these passagers were not killed in the flight, what exactly happened to them then?
Or is it all a cover up and they are actually alive some where? Or did they get killed by other means?
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#78 Posted: 5/8/2012 1:08:20 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:
none of these pictures prove or disprove anything. In fact the 3rd and 4th picture posted in the bolder link doesn't seem like it was taken from the pentagon...notice different bricks in the wall.
theory goes...a drone flew into the pentagon building. It's very difficult, almost impossible for huge 757 airliner to maneuver itself into the building. It's so easy to prove the theorist wrong if the govt would provide videos taken from security cameras yet they suppress that type of info.......WHAT and WHY are they hiding it?
who said the govt doesn't know how to keep secrets...lol
Who knows if they are hiding anything. If you want to assume, that's fine. I prefer evidence to support such an assertion.
Seriously, ALL these people got it wrong? Seriously?
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html
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#80 Posted: 5/8/2012 1:16:23 PM 
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#81 Posted: 5/8/2012 1:28:44 PM
Re. the C-130 that followed flight 77. So they must be in on the conspiracy too?Reagan National
controllers then vectored an unarmed National Guard C130H cargo aircraft, which
had just taken off en route to Minnesota, to identify and follow the suspicious
aircraft. The C-130H pilot spotted it, identified it as a Boeing 757, attempted
to follow its path, and at 9:38, seconds after impact, reported to the control
tower: "looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon sir."
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#82 Posted: 5/8/2012 1:32:01 PM
I think you already know the answer to this question Hutch
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#83 Posted: 5/8/2012 1:59:58 PM
but the pictures hutch posted doesn't do any justice and Kap you know it wouldn't hold up in a court of law. if you look closely at the pictures it doesn't look like it's from the wall of the pentagon
just saying...
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#84 Posted: 5/8/2012 2:02:04 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll: Notice how EVERYONE talks about the landing gear being up and no flaps engaged. EVERYONE. And they also talk about the C-130 which was actually following the plane and reported to air traffic control when it crashed into the pentagon.
Re. the C-130 that followed flight 77. So they must be in on the conspiracy too?Reagan National
controllers then vectored an unarmed National Guard C130H cargo aircraft, which
had just taken off en route to Minnesota, to identify and follow the suspicious
aircraft. The C-130H pilot spotted it, identified it as a Boeing 757, attempted
to follow its path, and at 9:38, seconds after impact, reported to the control
tower: "looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon sir."
you believe this guys eyewitness testimony yet you disregard firefighters eyewitness testimony...wtf?
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#85 Posted: 5/8/2012 2:03:21 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYsXFhAq1ME&feature=related
beyond a reasonable doubt.....
the avg joe citizen would've been given jail time with evidence like this against him
12 minutes in and I no mention of any evidence. A blurb about Nazi Germany, the Vietnam War, and GW doing what he does best: Speaking poorly. 
By the way, if you want to learn about WW II and how the US got involved, it is interesting reading to say the least. The US was going to end up at war no matter what. Japan's policy of expansionism wasn't going to be left unchecked forever and the Soviets needed someone open up another front against the Germans. Japan launched a pre-emptive strike in hopes of crippling the US Navy. Unfortunately, the carriers were not in Hawaii at the time. Even Yamamoto himslf knew that the most Japan was ever going to accomplish was a delay to their eventual defeat.
So Roosevelt didn't strike first. Everything that happened was a foregone conclusion based on what was going on throughout the world.
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#86 Posted: 5/8/2012 2:05:14 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:
you believe this guys eyewitness testimony yet you disregard firefighters eyewitness testimony...wtf?
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#87 Posted: 5/8/2012 2:09:51 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
What firefighters eyewitness testimony?
how the towers fell...what they heard and what they saw underneath the rubble
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#90 Posted: 5/8/2012 3:02:59 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:
how the towers fell...what they heard and what they saw underneath the rubble
What things did they hear and see?
And as for what they saw underneath the rubble, I'd be happy to consider it if any of them are also metallurgists. |
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#91 Posted: 5/8/2012 3:06:01 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by EazyFBaby:
Operation Northwoods 
While
“Operation Northwoods” has provided the raw material for an entire cottage
industry of 9/11 conspiracy theories, to my knowledge no one has demonstrated
the slightest connection to 9/11 itself. I mentioned this to a conspiracy
theorist recently, and he said “Well, the CIA killed JFK, and George W. Bush’s
father was head of the CIA.” I had to remind him that Lee Harvey Oswald killed
JFK, and George H.W. Bush was a Texas oilman who hadn’t even run for Congress
yet in 1963.
I am astonished
that CTists keep bringing up Operation Northwoods as a reminder that dangerous,
deceptive schemes can be cooked up by the U.S. government, as if the fact that
we are in Iraq isn’t reminder enough. Perspective, people, perspective!
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#92 Posted: 5/8/2012 3:15:07 PM ______________
By the way, I hope you know that the government cannot just pick and choose what they want to release as far as tapes go. The tapes WERE played for the victims at the Moussaoui trial. And those tapes are the property of the company whose equipment took them. |
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#93 Posted: 5/8/2012 3:31:55 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
What things did they hear and see?
And as for what they saw underneath the rubble, I'd be happy to consider it if any of them are also metallurgists.
i assume you did extensive research on both sides...
im sure you have extensive knowledge in metallurgy and engineering. are you going to doubt and debunk architects and engineers who disagree with the 911 report?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Jq1opIFfE
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#94 Posted: 5/8/2012 3:37:35 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Viking812:
Also by investigating hutch's website and the pictures "provided". Thats not very many airplane parts from a 757. Do u guys know how big a 757 is? Also the hole made is the pentagon is not very large and did not go deep enough to swallow the length or width of the plane. So in my thinking most of the wings and tailsection would have minor damage...... Where are they? Where is the seats? How bout that little engine rotor they put out there is that from a 757..... not hardly! They had pictures of 4 bodies, they also showed fireman there very quickly, where is the rest of them?????? They all burt to a crisp? Not the people towards the back! Just sayin still looks very "fishy". If the gov has nothing to hide just show us the video around the pentagon! the most secure building supposedly!!!!! They cant do that cause it would show a missle or rocket hitting the pentagon imo!
So all of your experience with 757's flying into a brick building with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel tells you something is fishy?
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#95 Posted: 5/8/2012 3:45:17 PM
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#96 Posted: 5/8/2012 4:03:47 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:
i assume you did extensive research on both sides...
im sure you have extensive knowledge in metallurgy and engineering. are you going to doubt and debunk architects and engineers who disagree with the 911 report?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23Jq1opIFfE
Richard Gage says that fire alone has never caused the collapse of the skyscraper. Notice how he leaves out the minor detail that WTC was heavily damaged AND had raging fires.
That's how these types operate. They selectively leave out certain information in order to make their point. So convenient for Mr. Gage to leave out the FACT that WTC 7 had sustained significant damage in addition to the fires.
You guys seriously eat this up like a starving dog?
Even Chief Nigro, who ordered WTC 7 evacuated long before it went down, cited the following:
1 - Although prior to that day high-rise structures had never collapsed, The collapse of WTC 1 & 2 showed that certain high-rise structures subjected to damage from impact and from fire will collapse.
2. The collapse of WTC 1 damaged portions of the lower floors of WTC 7.
3. WTC 7, we knew, was built on a small number of large columns providing an open Atrium on the lower levels.
4. numerous fires on many floors of WTC 7 burned without sufficient water supply to attack them.
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#97 Posted: 5/8/2012 4:14:33 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Sandman_130:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF6VdWjxJ1g
Watch this video for 1 minute to educate yourself on some very simple things that happened that day.
George Bush Sr was also in Daley Square on Nov 22,1963, although he can't remember where he was on that day.Who the hell can't remember where he was when JFK was killed? |
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#98 Posted: 5/8/2012 4:20:12 PM
Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC
towers collapsed because:
(1) the impact of the planes severed and
damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the
steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel
over multiple floors; and
(2) the subsequent unusually large number of
jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high
as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly
weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point
where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This
led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the
south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse
of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as
accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a
half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each
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#99 Posted: 5/8/2012 4:22:46 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Viking812:
Also by investigating hutch's website and the pictures "provided". Thats not very many airplane parts from a 757. Do u guys know how big a 757 is? Also the hole made is the pentagon is not very large and did not go deep enough to swallow the length or width of the plane. So in my thinking most of the wings and tailsection would have minor damage...... Where are they? Where is the seats? How bout that little engine rotor they put out there is that from a 757..... not hardly! They had pictures of 4 bodies, they also showed fireman there very quickly, where is the rest of them?????? They all burt to a crisp? Not the people towards the back! Just sayin still looks very "fishy". If the gov has nothing to hide just show us the video around the pentagon! the most secure building supposedly!!!!! They cant do that cause it would show a missle or rocket hitting the pentagon imo!
Try to follow me here. They did identify the remains of every passenger from flight 77 in the pentagon. In addition, relatives have confirmed that 1. Their loved one was on flight 77 and 2. That their loved ones are indeed gone. ow did these bodies get from being on flight 77 to inside the pentagon without the plane going in there as well?
And if you are going to stick with story that the bodies weren't found or identified (ie. it was all just made up), where are the people from flight 77? Did every passenger on flight 77 decide to leave the country? Did they all abandon their lives and their families....all at the exact same time?
This truly is how whacko these CT's are. They really would believe something like this as opposed to the eyewitness testimony of MANY, MANY people who witnessed the plane crash into the pentagon (not to mention all the evidence physical evidence)?
It is comical. 
C'mon, people. Let's use some friggin' brain power here.
I'm not saying the 9/11 report is accurate to the final word, but at least demonstrate you're able to use a little bit of logic here.
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#100 Posted: 5/8/2012 4:25:09 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by PokinSmot:
how the towers fell...what they heard and what they saw underneath the rubble
Why didn’t the NIST investigation consider reports of molten steel in the wreckage from the WTC towers?
NIST investigators and experts from the American Society of Civil
Engineers (ASCE) and the Structural Engineers Association of New York
(SEONY)—who inspected the WTC steel at the WTC site and the salvage
yards—found no evidence that would support the melting of steel in a
jet-fuel ignited fire in the towers prior to collapse. The condition of
the steel in the wreckage of the WTC towers (i.e., whether it was in a
molten state or not) was irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse
since it does not provide any conclusive information on the condition
of the steel when the WTC towers were standing.
Under certain circumstances it is conceivable for some of the steel
in the wreckage to have melted after the buildings collapsed. Any molten
steel in the wreckage was more likely due to the high temperature
resulting from long exposure to combustion within the pile than to short
exposure to fires or explosions while the buildings were standing.
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