Posted: 3/17/2012 11:06:01 PM
This is very important so follow the sequence of events:
In post #3, Crod1980 says I should have done more research because the shooter is Hispanic.
There are TWO problems with this post. The fact that Zimmerman might be Hispanic does not take away from the mishandling or potential witness tampering by the police in this case as I will explain. NOR was it the theme. But it was a point of interest. But in Crod1980's eyes, once you can disprove even a single point of reference in a post, one that he believes to be crucial, THE ENTIRE POST CRUMBLES. Hogwash. That is illogical and irresponsible with regard to debating.
But still he had a point. Or did he?
As you can see, the OP was written at 9:46 PM EST on 3/15. (If it says 5:46, you will see the 4 hour lag if you post something right now in another thread. The official time of posting was 9:46 EST PM on 3/15.
Why is that crucial? Because Zimmerman was WHITE according to the national media at that time. At 10:13 PS EST, Crod claims Zimmerman is Hispanic. Is it true? No, there is no cited evidence and it was only conjecture at that point. Of course this didn't stop some people from assuming Zimmerman was something other than white but nothing was proven.
Well, like MANNA FROM HEAVEN Crod1980's behind is saved when at 10:47 PM EST (as you see by timestamp in the article in his posted link), the Orlando Sentinal posted an article claiming that Zimmerman was white citing ZImmerman's father. His father is claiming he grew up in a multiracial home and that he is Hispanic And NOT A RACIST (what a surprise).
So, let's take the father's word as true.
Crod's original post in Post #3 was unsupported and rightfully so, because up until that point, we could only CITE him as white. He was as he claimed is was, misinformed at that time. Crod's CITED evidence comes at 12:15 am EST, AFTER he made an unsupported claim and AFTER the Orlando Sentinal posted a "Do you believe in Miracles!!" reference for him to fall back on (and it was damn near a miracle in my eyes).
This is all key because it takes away from the 'owning' garbage he and many here have been proclaiming about me. My OP was basedon fact at the time and as the case developed, it changed AFTER THE OP (ending speculation but providing a citable source which is the key).
Now, one last thing. Could the police have believed Zimmerman was a white male? Because everyone here thinks that if he is Hispanic than this is a non-issue, because a minority shot a minority. That is preposterous.
Well if we are using evidence draw reasonable conclusions, the answer is, quite possibly (but not definitively) YES.
Remember this. Your prejudices, preconceptions, perceptions, biases, and general assumptions about an individual or crime could be, and probably are very similar to a cop arriving at the scene of the crime. They are no more and no less special than anyone here (and many time are much more narrow-minded than average informed individuals).
What might a typical cop at the crime scene think and believe based on this evidence? And at is time, be honest with yourselves.
1. We know his name is George Zimmerman. Is George Zimmerman a white sounding name?
If you are making a snap judgement, if you are being honest with yourself, this is a white sounding name in all probability. It might not be but it most certainly could be.
2. Was George Zimmerman a night watchman (self-appointed or otherwise) in a mostly white gated community?
Yes. Whether this was stated in the 911 call or to the police directly, they found out and they knew. With a name like George Zimmerman, if you are arriving at the scene, you could think you will be addressing a white individual.
3. Does George Zimmerman look white?
This is for debate. But it certainly cannot be ruled out. And what do we know? It was nighttime which causes obvious problems when compared to a sunny day. Zimmerman had injuries which could potentially take away from any 'ethnicity identification.' Coupled with 1 and 2, it is possible we 'could' be dealing with a white male.
BUT, and this is key,
Let's say the police thought he was Hispanic.
"Hispanic" is not a race. It is an ethnicity. Someone like Cameron Diaz is a 'white-Hispanic' and can easily pass for white in many people's eyes. Someone like AROD is a 'black-hispanic' and there is little doubt that he is not white (in many people's eyes).
But the point is that there are 'varying degrees' of whiteness and blackness (and many other races potentially), and that is why "Hispanic" is an ethnicity (self-defined and typically in multiples) and not a race. (It is actually more complicated than that but that is a thread in itself).
Why does this matter? Because the police already set the wheels in motion with this case when they arrived on the scene. They already allegedly tampered with a witness.
Would they do this for a Hispanic male? Maybe, maybe not. But I already showed how it could be very likely they could think a night watchman in a mostly white gated community with the name "George Zimmerman" could be white.
By the way, because he is Hispanic doesn't make him some sort of 'impure' ethnicity the police couldn't favor over the black male. Just look at the incarceration numbers of black males in this country.(They make up 40% of the inmates, mostly for nonviolent drug possession of which they possess and distribute at the SAME RATE as whites, while only comprising about 13% of the population. That's a systematic incarceration of a race folks.)
And even if he is not, both Zimmerman and the police, (as my contention), acted on BIAS against a now deceased black male, devaluing his life and, as they drag their feet with no arrests or explanation, marginalize the black community at large and worse yet the family. Could they do that for a Hispanic male as he stands before a dead black male? Yes.
When it was announced on the 15th Zimmerman was Hispanic according to the FATHER, the black community was no LESS ENRAGED in their search for justice. They want Zimmerman jailed and they want ANSWERS of which they are STILL getting none.
So look at the facts folks.
Look at how and when Crod1980 did his posting. Who posted facts when they knew them.
Look who cited evidence and when regardless of the final outcome.
Crod1980 was saved by a miracle. I gave you what was FACT at the time (at least with regard to the police and Zimmerman).
But I have more to say to each post which I promised. First a long break.