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#1 Posted: 1/16/2012 12:52:27 AM I went to the casino Friday night and was getting pretty lucky in black jack. I was playing at a $5 minimum table and usually playing $5 to $10 hands. When I lost 2 or 3 in a row I would raise my bets and there was about 4 times where I had a $50 bet placed and I hit black jack on at least 3 of those. Dealer was joking about how I was counting cards. I started with $100 and left with about $350.
Roaming around youtube tonight and was curious how card counting worked exactly. Seems pretty simple concept and makes sense to when you should bet higher. Now it was just a coincidence that I made higher wagers toward the end of the shoot, I was basically just trying to win big after losing a few hands in a row, but did the dealer really think I was counting cards?
How much do you have to win before they start to notice and actually do something about it? I know winning $250 is nothing, but what is the exact amount they start to think you're counting cards? I just thought it was really weird how the dealer mentioned it, and at one point they switched dealers and the guy said something like "You're doing pretty good tonight I see" and of course like a few hands later I bet $50 and hit black jack.
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#2 Posted: 1/16/2012 12:56:09 AM depends how many decks there use... |
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#3 Posted: 1/16/2012 1:08:47 AM fn cheapass casino...they said you are doing good and switched dealers because you won 250...fn fool...glad you won... |
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#4 Posted: 1/16/2012 3:34:04 AM its the inconsistent betting that speaks to card counting
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#5 Posted: 1/16/2012 4:51:12 AM were u at the indian casinos?
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#6 Posted: 1/16/2012 10:03:16 AM They won't bother you if you're winning small amounts. It's a problem when teams come in and bet thousands when the deck is high. It's a complex system counting positives and negatives.
I used to hunt down single deck games and just count out 2 through 6. If you can get heads up with a dealer in a single deck you can squeeze out 2 or 3 hands when it's high before they shuffle. |
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#7 Posted: 1/16/2012 10:34:16 AM You have to count and get caught mutiple times before they darn with you much if you count just move around alot different tables different betting amounts, only bad counters get caught these days or guys that play way over there heads, the casino becomes sucspicious when large wins come up and they always will cool a run if they think something shakey is going on.Counting is not as easy as it seems and it must be a progressive betting style so even a good counter will get spotted eventually but if you move alot change casinos alot one can still get away with it. |
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#8 Posted: 1/16/2012 10:35:00 AM watch the movie "21"... its not completely accurate and a bit exaggerated but its still very interesting |
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#9 Posted: 1/16/2012 1:24:46 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by lakers34kb:
Now it was just a coincidence that I made higher wagers toward the end of the shoot, I was basically just trying to win big after losing a few hands in a row, but did the dealer really think I was counting cards?
If the count was high and the dealer was counting himself, large raises might have been a tip-off 
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#10 Posted: 1/16/2012 8:55:27 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Messier-11:
depends how many decks there use...
I don't even know.. it seemed like maybe 4 decks? What's the standard?
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#11 Posted: 1/16/2012 8:57:56 PM Good stuff guys.. It probably is a lot harder than it looks to count cards. I figured much that if you win a couple hundred they could care less and it would take thousands for it to spark.. but new to casinos that was my 3rd time at one.. so glad to get some feedback and insight.
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#12 Posted: 1/16/2012 9:32:13 PM well countng cards on the normal 6 deck is alot different then counting with single or 2 deck shoes and alot of time on the 6 deck theyll shuffle back in befor u can even get the count in ur favor
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#13 Posted: 1/16/2012 9:48:58 PM You could track down your long lost half retard brother then take him to Vegas.
It worked in that movie and you may learn a life lesson that money and greed is not the answer.
A good way to find the right retard if you do not have a long lost bro is......Start randomly throwing handfuls of toothpicks on the ground around where tards hang, l suggest around door greeters at Wal-Mart or maybe at any McDonalds around thier employess 
If at anytime one of your tards shouts out the number of toothpicks, kidnap that person and head to the big city 
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#14 Posted: 1/16/2012 10:11:11 PM SALTY: As the parent of an emotionally and physically challenged son, people like you are my worst nightmare. However, I will tell you that the Rain Man comparison is spot on. My 18yr old son can memorize random numbers and pictures to an infinite total. It is an amazing feat to witness firsthand.
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#15 Posted: 1/16/2012 11:26:55 PM Worst nightmare huh?
You make it sound like I am out tricking retards.
So you got my reference 
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#16 Posted: 1/17/2012 12:08:44 AM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_Down_the_House_(book)
the movie '21' is about this book ......
the book was way better than the movie. 
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#17 Posted: 1/17/2012 1:38:32 AM HMMMMMMMM counting cards.... Yes you can count and WIN. Does any1 know what is a True running count is??? and yes the larger bets does raises red flags, But it work both ways... You still have to get lucky even tho the count is in your favor... But a Professional card counter goes deeper into this, To get a real advantage against the casino or 'house". I won`t mention how or what it is. But it is very successfull when perfect it..... |
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#18 Posted: 1/17/2012 2:22:38 AM The one and only time I went to Vegas back in 97, I stayed at the MGM and started playing Blackjack on my last 100 and got it all the way up to 5000 before finally cashing out at 3800.00. I remember it like it was yesterday playing one on one with the dealer for the majority of the time since it was like 2 or 3 in the morning on a Monday. Since I was new to casinos (I just turned 22) I didn't even think about them getting suspicious or anything but thinking about it now, I remember the pit boss and another suit watching me like a hawk. I also remember a few people crowding around me just watching including former Chicago Bear and pro wrestler Steve "Mongo" McMichael. Overall, one of the best times I ever had. |
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#19 Posted: 1/17/2012 2:30:40 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by StemsSeeds:
The one and only time I went to Vegas back in 97, I stayed at the MGM and started playing Blackjack on my last 100 and got it all the way up to 5000 before finally cashing out at 3800.00. I remember it like it was yesterday playing one on one with the dealer for the majority of the time since it was like 2 or 3 in the morning on a Monday. Since I was new to casinos (I just turned 22) I didn't even think about them getting suspicious or anything but thinking about it now, I remember the pit boss and another suit watching me like a hawk. I also remember a few people crowding around me just watching including former Chicago Bear and pro wrestler Steve "Mongo" McMichael. Overall, one of the best times I ever had.
THAT is THE emotion you must feel when PRESSING your wagers.
When you draw a crowd at the table...
You KNOW you are KICKING behind.

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#20 Posted: 1/17/2012 2:33:19 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by bigbill365:
well countng cards on the normal 6 deck is alot different then counting with single or 2 deck shoes and alot of time on the 6 deck theyll shuffle back in befor u can even get the count in ur favor
If you can run down a 6 deck shoe, they won`t shuffle on U... but most likely on a double deck they will. Single decks have changed to how many players are playing, example 4 hands or players they will deal 2 rounds, 6 players 1 round. plus single deck games, Snapper (BJ) pays 6/5.... |
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#21 Posted: 1/17/2012 2:37:36 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose: THAT is THE emotion you must feel when PRESSING your wagers. When you draw a crowd at the table... You KNOW you are KICKING behind.
Yea Goose, it was to the point that I was winning EVERY hand. It was borderline ridiculous, lmao
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#22 Posted: 1/17/2012 2:50:38 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by StemsSeeds:
Yea Goose, it was to the point that I was winning EVERY hand. It was borderline ridiculous, lmao
It's that incredible feeling when you're on a serious roll.
PRESS that wager and let those winnings run.
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#23 Posted: 1/17/2012 4:19:20 AM You think he thought you were counting cards because you were up 250? LOL. I routinley play at 25 dollar tables at ameristar in council bluffs. Ive won over 700 in a session dropped over 1200 in a session and i know a lot of people who have won and lost more than me. Heck the max bet is 500 dollars a hand one win there and theyve won about 3 times what you did. They could care less about 200 dollars. If you were taking the max maybe 10,000 a day which is the max limit there 4 or 5 days a week they might get suspicious. Or like that crew that counted cards that took something like 7 to 10 million dollars from playing blackjack counting cards at casino in las vegas. But going to a casino and taking two hundred and fifty bucks and you think they think your card counting thats crazy. I bet over 200 a hand on many occasions. Casinos pee 200 dollars. |
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#24 Posted: 1/17/2012 10:20:13 PM Counting cards you say. Yeah welcome to my former and sometimes current world.
Start out with this.
This will be a great springboard for you. Learn it cold and I mean cold. This is almost as strong as the Uston counts I used in the 80's. Not as strong mind you, but when you factor in the mistakes most will make with a level 3 count it more than evens out.
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#25 Posted: 1/18/2012 12:12:10 AM how can any of you really believe in card counting today, when the fact is there are so many cards left in the shoe that you will never see, which could very well be the good cards you need to make your big bets.
also remember when the cards are supposedly in your favor, they are also in the dealers favor.
The game really is a random event, that is unless you got super powers and can see the cards. I have watched people play the game completely opposite of the way the books all tell you to play and still win money. Like i said, its a random event and nobody knows what the next card is gonna be, thats why i always laugh at the people who get bent out of shape when somebody takes a hit, that shouldnt have taken a hit according to the so called blackjack gurus. No way to know what the next card in the deck will be.
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