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Posted: 1/29/2012 6:11:03 AM
Looks like the high school kids seen LSU was overrated they not even in the top 15.
 
 


 
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Posted: 1/29/2012 6:13:48 AM
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>16.    LSU
  • 17.

    Texas Tech

  • 18.

    USC

  • 19.

    Stanford

  • 20.

    Tennessee

  • 21.

    Oregon

  • 22.

    TCU

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    Vanderbilt

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    UCLA

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    Louisville

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    Posted: 1/29/2012 6:23:51 AM

    These Class of 2012 rankings are based on who has committed so far.

    Changes to the rankings will be made as more prospects commit, and how teams finish on national signing day.

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    Posted: 1/29/2012 6:31:14 AM

    Looks like Saban & Jimbo or the front runners, Florida State if coached right will be the best team in Florida the next decade.

    Good bye Gators....

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    Posted: 1/29/2012 8:58:37 AM

    Although Alabama is currently sitting at #1, I'd be mildly surprised if they end up there.  In the end I think the Gators finish on top.

    LSU's mid-teens recruiting ranking really has absolutely nothing to do with the result of the national championship game.  They have run into an uncanny string of bad luck in the the last 3 weeks that sank what would have been a top 5 class.  Of course Saban pulling 2 of Louisiana's top recruits in a year where the state of Louisiana produced a lot fewer top recruits than usual did hurt them quite a bit too.

    Here's a great article that details LSU's recent misfortune.

    'Perfect storm' sends LSU recruiting rankings tumbling

    http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20120129/SPORTS0202/201290314/-Perfect-storm-sends-LSU-recruiting-rankings-tumbling

     

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    Posted: 1/29/2012 10:39:58 AM
    Tedford at Co. are doing a amazing JOB at CAL
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    Posted: 1/29/2012 11:05:12 AM
    Alabama paid the most money to their kids this year.  They generated more revenue with national championship.
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    Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:

    Alabama paid the most money to their kids this year.  They generated more revenue with national championship.

    See you talk about people putting down Joe Pa and Penn State and then you gain a little respect asking people to lay off your beloved team & ex-coach, and you attack with Bullshit like this on Alabama.

    Go crawl in a hole and cover yourself with hog garbage.

    Do me a favor and put a link were Alabama paid players this year or shut the darn up.

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    Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Tedford at Co. are doing a amazing JOB at CAL

    I agree, they doing a good job.

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    Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Tedford at Co. are doing a amazing JOB at CAL

    In 2008 & 2009 Cal had the 34th & 42nd ranked recruiting classes in the nation respectively.  In 2010 & 2011 their  recruiting classes improved drastically to 11th & 17th respectively.  Right now, like LSU, Cal's class is ranked in the mid-teens which historically is very good for them, but consistent with what they've done the past two seasons.  I suspect the USC sanctions has help them pull better recruits the past three recruiting seasons.  If they can continue to pull top 20 recruiting classes, they should make a lot of noise in the PAC 12 North Division annually.

     

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by Lucan:

    See you talk about people putting down Joe Pa and Penn State and then you gain a little respect asking people to lay off your beloved team & ex-coach, and you attack with Bullshit like this on Alabama.

    Go crawl in a hole and cover yourself with hog garbage.

    Do me a favor and put a link were Alabama paid players this year or shut the darn up.


    just admit it and move on, you know they do.  i know they do, everyone knows they do.  you dont have 4 recruiting classes out of 5 ranked #1 without strings being pulled.  

    its ok man, they are doing a great job.
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    Posted: 1/29/2012 5:59:18 PM
    QUOTE Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Tedford at Co. are doing a amazing JOB at CAL

    WRONG!  the guy at Cal who recruited all these players has moved onto Washington...so with that, Tedford and Cal arent doing much, besides being a great academic institution who i respect.  But after this year, it will sadly end as the Samoan is gone.

    And Cal wont stoop to levels of others as paying players because of their high rank of academics.
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    Posted: 1/29/2012 6:01:42 PM
    QUOTE Originally Posted by Lucan:

    I agree, they doing a good job.


    was not half the sec investigated last year for benefits with an agent? Was not a few players suspended, i think at least Dareus was.

    Should i put a link of over signing players as well?  Les Miles may have Saban beat on that one.
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    Posted: 1/29/2012 6:02:19 PM
    Michael Robinson eulogy, listen to it.
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    Posted: 1/29/2012 8:39:17 PM
    QUOTE Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:


    just admit it and move on, you know they do.  i know they do, everyone knows they do.  you dont have 4 recruiting classes out of 5 ranked #1 without strings being pulled.  

    its ok man, they are doing a great job.

    You know the way you won't people to forgive Joe Pa i was wondering if you play with yourself thinking he was sticking is big fat nose up your behind.

    Now prove what you say or move on.

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    Posted: 1/29/2012 8:44:44 PM
    QUOTE Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:


    was not half the sec investigated last year for benefits with an agent? Was not a few players suspended, i think at least Dareus was.

    Should i put a link of over signing players as well?  Les Miles may have Saban beat on that one.

    Half.......you watch to much tennis and not enough college football

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    Posted: 1/29/2012 8:52:16 PM
    QUOTE Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    Although Alabama is currently sitting at #1, I'd be mildly surprised if they end up there.  In the end I think the Gators finish on top.

    LSU's mid-teens recruiting ranking really has absolutely nothing to do with the result of the national championship game.  They have run into an uncanny string of bad luck in the the last 3 weeks that sank what would have been a top 5 class.  Of course Saban pulling 2 of Louisiana's top recruits in a year where the state of Louisiana produced a lot fewer top recruits than usual did hurt them quite a bit too.

    Here's a great article that details LSU's recent misfortune.

    'Perfect storm' sends LSU recruiting rankings tumbling

    http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20120129/SPORTS0202/201290314/-Perfect-storm-sends-LSU-recruiting-rankings-tumbling

     

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    Posted: 1/29/2012 9:05:24 PM
    QUOTE Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:


    was not half the sec investigated last year for benefits with an agent? Was not a few players suspended, i think at least Dareus was.

    Should i put a link of over signing players as well?  Les Miles may have Saban beat on that one.

    I agree with you that oversigning is an issue that should be addressed, but not because oversigning is necessarily a bad thing, because I absolutely don't think it is.  The problem is that the conferences set their own rules which creates an uneven playing field.

    For example, in the past the SEC has been one of the most lenient conferences while the Big 10 has been one of the strictest.  I think their should be one set of rules that applies equally to all teams and all conferences.  That would put everyone on equal footing.

    That said, the SEC, over the strenuous objections of the SEC coaches, voted last year to end the practice of oversigning.  Teams will no longer be allowed to sign more than 25 players less back-counters.  I'm not even sure if SEC teams will be able to back-count after this recruiting season.  I would have to go back re-read the rules.

    Nevertheless, cracking down on oversiging, in my opinion, is not good for college football because the people that are hurt most by the are kids who predominately come from bad neighborhoods who have marginal grades.  With such strict signing requirements, teams will no longer be able to take chances on signing academically marginal players.  Personally, I think that is a horrible outcome.

    Eliminating back-counting is also a practice that will have unintended consequences.  For example, in 2009 Alabama signed a 4* WR named Kendall Kelly.  After 1 week at fall camp he developed a serious medical condition, was rushed to the hospital, and never played again.  Then last season Aaron Douglas passed away after he signed his letter of intend, but passed away before he ever made it to fall camp.  With the strict 85 football scholarship limitation that the NCAA has in place, teams should not be punished with scholarship limitations in such cases.  In fact, without oversigning or back-counting, there would be almost no avenue for teams to ever make up for those vacant scholarship spots.

    The bottom line is that a flexible system which applies equally to all teams should be implemented.

     

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    Michael Robinson eulogy, listen to it.

    (4) years in college football and he only played (1) good year, how he made it to the NFL must have been a favor to Joe Pa.

    So after football he became a want a be media star starting rumors and kissing behind to support his family.

    You got to do better then that...

     

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by thisguyiswise:


    was not half the sec investigated last year for benefits with an agent? Was not a few players suspended, i think at least Dareus was.

    Should i put a link of over signing players as well?  Les Miles may have Saban beat on that one.

    You can't blame the college's because these kids won't to play in the SEC instead of school's like Penn State.

    Or Michigan highschool football players like Mark Ingram did.

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by Lucan:

    (4) years in college football and he only played (1) good year, how he made it to the NFL must have been a favor to Joe Pa.

    So after football he became a want a be media star starting rumors and kissing behind to support his family.

    You got to do better then that...

     


    i saw him in the pro bowl today as a fullback, a position he did not even play in college...what are you talking about...he was a mega 5 star recruit out of college who could have went anywhere...his top 5 were ohio state, va tech, lsu (saban), florida state (bowden), and south carolina.

    he chose penn state after meeting paterno.
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    Posted: 1/30/2012 12:41:52 AM
    QUOTE Originally Posted by Lucan:

    You know the way you won't people to forgive Joe Pa i was wondering if you play with yourself thinking he was sticking is big fat nose up your behind.

    Now prove what you say or move on.


    i cant even respond to this because its not english.  what i gather, though i could be wrong, is that i remember driving in my car last summer, and i distinctly remember tons of sec and north carolina (acc) players being investigated for being at parties with agents and receiving improper benefits.  if dareus was not suspended from bama specifically and a few other players, i am wrong.  but i swear they were.  As well as guys from Florida, Auburn, and Georgia (AJ Green at least) were investigated for the same.  And how can we forget the Miss State proposal for Scam Newton, and subsequently Auburn investigation.

    USC in their heyday earlier this decade, oh yea their coach ran out the door when Bush was busted and sanctions were coming.  It just goes hand in hand with a top notch recruiting class year after year.

    I played with a guy who went to Miami (played with their great teams in early decade of 2000), he used to party with Uncle Luke and said Luke paid for everything on recruiting trips and we all know this.  Miami was busted..  He said Michigan (who at the time was the Michigan off a Nat. Champ from 97) was as dirty as anyone.  They offered him a Ford Explorer.

    I dont solely blame this on Bama, its a national problem (besides Stanford and Penn State who have never received ncaa recruiting violations), but having top recruiting classes for a period of 5 years usually means one thing.  The recruits are getting paid well.  Its the culture and society we live in.  And I also think players should be paid at least a little.

    I think Nick Saban is the best x and o football coach in the game today and perhaps ever college wise.  I appreciate Saban defending JoePa.  But i also dont doubt for one minute there are some heavy handshakes going on down there these days.  Its just the way it is.
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    Posted: 1/30/2012 12:44:16 AM
    It also doesnt hurt when a university has no academic standards for student athletes.
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    Posted: 1/30/2012 12:47:20 AM
    QUOTE Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:

    I agree with you that oversigning is an issue that should be addressed, but not because oversigning is necessarily a bad thing, because I absolutely don't think it is.  The problem is that the conferences set their own rules which creates an uneven playing field.

    For example, in the past the SEC has been one of the most lenient conferences while the Big 10 has been one of the strictest.  I think their should be one set of rules that applies equally to all teams and all conferences.  That would put everyone on equal footing.

    That said, the SEC, over the strenuous objections of the SEC coaches, voted last year to end the practice of oversigning.  Teams will no longer be allowed to sign more than 25 players less back-counters.  I'm not even sure if SEC teams will be able to back-count after this recruiting season.  I would have to go back re-read the rules.

    Nevertheless, cracking down on oversiging, in my opinion, is not good for college football because the people that are hurt most by the are kids who predominately come from bad neighborhoods who have marginal grades.  With such strict signing requirements, teams will no longer be able to take chances on signing academically marginal players.  Personally, I think that is a horrible outcome.

    Eliminating back-counting is also a practice that will have unintended consequences.  For example, in 2009 Alabama signed a 4* WR named Kendall Kelly.  After 1 week at fall camp he developed a serious medical condition, was rushed to the hospital, and never played again.  Then last season Aaron Douglas passed away after he signed his letter of intend, but passed away before he ever made it to fall camp.  With the strict 85 football scholarship limitation that the NCAA has in place, teams should not be punished with scholarship limitations in such cases.  In fact, without oversigning or back-counting, there would be almost no avenue for teams to ever make up for those vacant scholarship spots.

    The bottom line is that a flexible system which applies equally to all teams should be implemented.

     


    good points and i agree, most important is that if one team can overs sign or one conference, all must be equal.  but the big 10 feels that for every story as you mentioned, there are two with kids who are basically, for lack of a better term, "screwed"...and college athletics should be about the kids, not the program
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    Posted: 2/1/2012 11:23:38 AM
    Florida state is reeling in so many prospects, I think they are going to have the 1# recruiting class.
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