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Posted: 7/19/2012 1:25:25 AM
Signs 14 yr 100 mil offer sheet with philly

nsh has 7 days to match
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Posted: 7/19/2012 1:27:19 AM
Nashville has to counter?

i fully expect them too
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Posted: 7/19/2012 1:30:01 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=400969
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Posted: 7/19/2012 2:15:17 AM
The only option Nashville has is to match the deal exactly? And then what can Weber do in that situation.
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Posted: 7/19/2012 2:25:17 AM
yeah match it exactly

Weber can't do anything now
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Posted: 7/19/2012 2:27:51 AM
Don't see Nashville matching it unless they want to do a sign and trade. He obviously doesn't want to be there
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Posted: 7/19/2012 2:35:40 AM
I'm a Flyers fan and i have no idea

all i know is if they get him that d is gonna be nasty
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Posted: 7/19/2012 11:38:08 AM

flyers GM and nashvile gm are very tight. im sure they discussed this.

i dont think nashville matches and us flyers fans can be happy about the FA!!!!

weber come to philly and be the top dman :)

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Posted: 7/19/2012 12:56:12 PM
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Originally Posted by IBLEEDBLUE9:

Don't see Nashville matching it unless they want to do a sign and trade. He obviously doesn't want to be there

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at this point, what weber wants is immaterial; he's got a deal worth millions, the only question is who's going to pay him...

the issue is what nashville wants, or more accurately, what nashville has to do...

IMO nashville absolutely should not match the offer; it will cripple a franchise that is already teetering...as a 'small-market' team if you commit that much money to one player for that term (especially during CBA negotiations in which owners want players to accept less of the revenue pie) your team is basically risking economic suicide...

weber is obviously a pure skill guy, a star, and should maintain that staus for at least half the length of the deal (which takes him to age 40) but the futures IMO are much more valuable assets in the long term for nashville, either as picks or trade bait...and nashville in my view has to think of the long-term viability of the franchise, not whether breaking the bank for one guy is going to ensure their survival..

my understanding is there can be no sign-and-trade; if nashville matches, they have to keep the player for a yr b4 they can move him

hostile move by philly but it's a jungle out there (and snider probably already told the preds 'don't worry, we'll help prop you stiffs up anyway thru revenue-sharing')

 

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Posted: 7/19/2012 1:21:07 PM

IMO nashville absolutely should not match the offer; it will cripple a franchise that is already teetering...as a 'small-market' team if you commit that much money to one player for that term (especially during CBA negotiations in which owners want players to accept less of the revenue pie) your team is basically risking economic suicide...

Nashville damned if they DO. damned if they DON'T match the offer. like bk_ said, it could cripple them financially BUT if they DON'T, they lose their "marquee player"

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Posted: 7/19/2012 1:25:41 PM
it's actually 14 yrs 110 million
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Posted: 7/19/2012 2:13:07 PM

Have to wait calender year before you can trade Weber, also will cost you 27 mil first 2 years due to front load. If I am Nashville I try to work a deal were they agree before hand a minute after signing goes thru they make trade. Couturier and Simmonds and Nashville gives back 2 of the 1st rounders. Or whatever  combo that will work....

If Philly wont deal then Preds keep Weber    

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Posted: 7/19/2012 2:30:30 PM
I'd be very surprised if Nashville doesn't match.
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Posted: 7/19/2012 4:32:26 PM
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I'd be very surprised if Nashville doesn't match.

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you could be right, they may feel they have to match to maintain some semblance of credibility...

but...

this was a 104-pt team, emphasize the word "team"...solid group of forwards, goaltending remains intact and solid w/rinne, coaching staff is top-shelf...already lost suter so if weber goes the D becomes the big elephant in the room...

so much depends on who they have coming...well, ryan ellis, 2-time memorial winner, has some pro seasoning now and the skill set to run a PP...josi: nice upside..in fact, including mattias ekholm, 3 of their top 4 prospects rated by hockey prospectus on aug '11 were D...

are they gonna be as good if they overpay to keep weber?...even with weber and suter it would have hard IMO to top 100 points again...lose both and what happens?...with rinne playing well, i still see this as a team with 90-point potential...

it gets back to what i said about burke trading a #1 (that turned out to be seguin) for kessel: you can lose (or in the leaves' case, miss the playoffs) with anybody...why trade the tremendous upside of a seguin to get a guy you're gonna flop with anyway?...

nashville seems to have a solid developmental system, the team's got a nice blue-collar identity, IMO they should let weber go, take the picks, ride the rapids for a year or so, instead of blowing up their payroll structure on one guy

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Posted: 7/19/2012 5:36:08 PM

LET HIM GO.................... In a year or maybe two, they won't even miss the guy....................... Let him take his money, give the Philly fans a hardon, and just wait and see what happens.... More time's than not, letting him (them) (the big guys) (the guy's who think they are bigger than the league itself) go becomes more of an advantage to the team letting go than to the team paying out the cash.....................................................

 

How long before some of the Philly youngsters want more money and will be looking to get outta dodge.................

 

lol............ Stupid contracts............ Owners deserve what they get........................

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Posted: 7/19/2012 5:55:56 PM
[Quote: Originally Posted by faceoff]

........... Stupid contracts............

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amen to that...

good for  weber of course, and nice work by his agent in getting this deal without the assistance of  a .44 held at sum1's head...

as le rink rat mentioned, nashville can't win in this situation...

but if they match, and weber's play deteriorates or he gets hurt, they stand to lose a lot more

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Posted: 7/19/2012 6:42:19 PM

Simple for Nashville match and put him on trade block. Someone will make an offer for Weber. To let him go for 4 1st round picks is to me stupid he goes to Philly all your picks from them will be between 25th and 30th. You can deal him for 2 players who can play now and get a 1st and 2nd rounder including in the deal. Thats what they should do! Nashville has to match for the future of this franchise.

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Posted: 7/19/2012 7:14:26 PM
Peeps don't realize kimmos 6.5 mil a year is off the books after this season so paying 1.5 mil more a year for a guy that is 26 and is better now that kimmo is older isn't all that bad
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Posted: 7/20/2012 12:13:30 AM

It was well played by Philly.. They sign him they get him.. Nashville signs him and offers a trade Philly could just say no thanks.. Cya.. Leverage.

But.. They should watch out for their restricted free agents in the future.. If I was Nashville I would have all my scouts focusing on Phillys prospects/players and make a few nice offer sheets to them.. (Couterier?)..

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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:24:20 AM

garbage Preds let him go, he'll cost you 26 mil next season, you will have 8 first round picks next 4 years, sure 4 should be lower but you can always use them and trade up in draft, very tough spot to be in or ask Tim McGraw for a loan  

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Posted: 7/20/2012 11:40:25 PM

or ask Tim McGraw for a loan

the big time country music star Predators fan is Garth Brooks. he plays pickup "shinny" hockey and loves the game.

 

 

 

 

 

and he could definately bankroll the team just with his Wynn Resort contract.

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Posted: 7/21/2012 4:27:43 AM
Bryzgalov should pay half of Weber's contract IF the Flyers get him.
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Posted: 7/22/2012 12:12:49 PM

interesting article by Darren Dreger on David Poile's "Weber predicament" @ TSN.ca  >>> http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/darren_dreger/?id=401000

like I said, damned if you DO match, damned if you DON'T

looks like there was a trade with the Flyers proposed by Poile BUT the Predators wanted Sean Couturier and Brayden Schenn so Paul Holmgren went with the offer sheet "napalm" 

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Posted: 7/23/2012 2:35:15 PM
And the owners are crying that they're poor.  Big market owner offers a ridiculous deal that the small market franchise can't match, even with a salary cap.

Him getting such a significant amount more in the first few years is what's wrong with the system.  An AAV of around 7.8 and he's gonna get close to 60 million in the first 4 years.  Should not be able to work around the cap like that. 
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Posted: 7/23/2012 3:34:12 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Skubishack:

Bryzgalov should pay half of Weber's contract IF the Flyers get him.



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