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Posted: 7/5/2012 12:59:41 PM
Did MN overpay?  Probably.  But this isn't a team that is going all in mortgaging the future.  They have a LOT of young, cheap talent.  They have 3 very high paid guys....but what team doesn't?  

They have a chance to be very good for 5-10 years.  How many franchises would love to be in this position?  


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Posted: 7/5/2012 1:59:45 PM
I think that Minny definitely overpaid however, due to the limited market they (Parise and Sutor) were bound to be overpaid.  I'm not a Minny fan but they deserve props for getting the best available talent at any cost. 


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Posted: 7/5/2012 2:05:28 PM

Outside of the 7 Canadian teams (which couldn't sign the duo) both these players signing with Minny is still kinda shocking.  Didn't read much hate, but def alot of naysayers.  I think its a great move by the WIld.  WHat do they have to lose?  They now have an instant identity and will benefit from the increased sales these 2 will generate.

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Posted: 7/5/2012 3:09:50 PM

and will benefit from the increased sales these 2 will generate.

the Wild aren't exactly hurting for regular season attendance. http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance shows them 16th with an average of 17,772 per game which is 98.4% of Xcel Energy Center's 18,064 for hockey.

they are NOT the old North Stars

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Posted: 7/5/2012 3:33:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

and will benefit from the increased sales these 2 will generate.

the Wild aren't exactly hurting for regular season attendance. http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance shows them 16th with an average of 17,772 per game which is 98.4% of Xcel Energy Center's 18,064 for hockey.

they are NOT the old North Stars


Those numbers are nice, but that many people did not show up to the games.  Tickets bought....yes.   Attendance at the games....not so much.  That will change this year.  Yeah, they are overpaid, but I think many teams would be happy to have them at that price.  
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Posted: 7/5/2012 4:56:04 PM

Those numbers are nice, but that many people did not show up to the games. Tickets bought....yes. Attendance at the games....not so much

every time I watched a Wild game @ Xcel Energy Center, it looked like the place was packed BUT I have never attended a game myself in Minnesota.

I just wish Gary Bettman would sober up and forget this stupid "four conferences" preposal. they should just retain the East and West conferences with three divisions each and move the former Atlanta Southeast team which became the Jets to the Northeast (making a majority Canada division) , the Wild to the Central (Chicago, Detroit and St Louis are traditional MSP rival cities) and Nashville to the Southeast (making an NHL version of the "SEC")

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Posted: 7/5/2012 10:48:13 PM

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until this signing, you had an average hockey team struggling to establish a beachhead in a very competitive market...

on the pro landscape i'd have put the wild 4th behind the vikes, twinkies, and t-wolves, and then of course the basis of hockey madness in minnesota i believe has always been at the grassroots levels: amateur, youth programs, college...

so signing suter and parise becomes a necessary move both for publicity purposes (to be taken seriously by people) and competitive needs...

beyond the immediate surge of excitement tho, the fortunes of this team will still rise or fall on its ability to develop real good players from within; every team needs depth, and depth comes from drafting well, and bjuilding and stocking a farm system...

all the reports i read are that the wild has good young players on the way...

are there enough of them?...are they going to be ready soon?...my hunch is depth-wise there is still a long way to go...

so in the short term, you have a team somewhat desperate to establish real relevance in the market...a team badly needing to make the playoffs... a team on a bit of a short leash...

i think these signings give it at least a fighting chance...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted: 7/5/2012 11:05:27 PM

and then of course the basis of hockey madness in minnesota i believe has always been at the grassroots levels: amateur, youth programs, college...

true statement

AND don't forget the high schools. in researching the comments about Xcel Energy Center for hockey, they mentioned that they SOLD OUT for the Minnesota High School hockey championships AND they packed the place the last time the NCAA had their hockey championships there.

it truely IS "The State of Hockey"

DON'T know how well the Timberwolves do, though. I would think that Minnesota might be one place (along with definately Toronto and maybe Boston) where the NHL out draws the NBA.

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Posted: 7/6/2012 4:32:43 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

I just wish Gary Bettman would sober up and forget this stupid "four conferences" preposal. they should just retain the East and West conferences with three divisions each and move the former Atlanta Southeast team which became the Jets to the Northeast (making a majority Canada division) , the Wild to the Central (Chicago, Detroit and St Louis are traditional MSP rival cities) and Nashville to the Southeast (making an NHL version of the "SEC")

LRR for Commish (also just change the rules to take ALL soccer goals OUT of the NHL and you get my vote... and smaller goalie gear, like the monster trappers used today).

I might now try and watch a Wild game this coming season. IMO they have the worst uniforms in the league and I keep thinging Northstars so I avoid seeing them on TV especially since there are so many other games I'd rather see then the Christmas tree colors of the Wild. They should bring back the old colors and logo with a "W" that has a Star on it... but keep the name Wild. The "W" and "N" are simular enough to make it work.

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Posted: 7/6/2012 11:13:34 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

and then of course the basis of hockey madness in minnesota i believe has always been at the grassroots levels: amateur, youth programs, college...

true statement

AND don't forget the high schools. in researching the comments about Xcel Energy Center for hockey, they mentioned that they SOLD OUT for the Minnesota High School hockey championships AND they packed the place the last time the NCAA had their hockey championships there.

it truely IS "The State of Hockey"

DON'T know how well the Timberwolves do, though. I would think that Minnesota might be one place (along with definately Toronto and maybe Boston) where the NHL out draws the NBA.


They certainly weren't in trouble from an attendance standpoint, but there was a little apathy sneaking in.  They have already sold another 1,000 season tickets and the jerseys have been flying off the rack.  

MN does support high school hockey BIG time.  And the Frozen 4 always sells out (has a lot to do with great fans from the likes of North Dakota, MI, Wisconsin, etc.).  

Craig Leipold is no dummy.  He hired Fletcher and they put a plan together.  Take a few years to accumulate more young talent and then make a big splash.  

They only have 2 guys over age 30 on their roster.  Pretty nice.  
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Posted: 7/7/2012 7:20:56 PM
i bet 15 other teams would pull that trigger. sports is a business, remember that the next time you think you "bleed" for a team.

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Posted: 7/7/2012 10:08:00 PM

LRR for Commish (also just change the rules to take ALL soccer goals OUT of the NHL and you get my vote... and smaller goalie gear, like the monster trappers used today).

I really DON'T have a big problem with "kicked in goals" as long as it NOT something that looks like a "kickoff" in football. directed in off the side of the skate blade is fine with me. tough enough scoring on goalies with "steam shovel" trappers. either shrink the gear OR make the goal mouth slightly larger by using smaller pipe. with a 1 5/8" vs the current 2 3/8" I think you would have more "post" shots going in.

MY big "pet peeve" along with the oversized goalie equipment is the "freakazoid" rule. it was designed to increase scoring and it's done just the opposite because "good stick" goalies like Marty Brodeur used to "key" brakeouts with a good first pass which a lot of time lead to breakaways or odd man rushes. it also sets up defensemen to get "run". 

I also have a problem with the "inconsistancy" of penalties. early season they call everything that smells like "interference" BUT come playoff time it's back to "clutch and grab". what's a penalty in October should still be a penalty in May

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Posted: 7/8/2012 5:52:28 PM

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ok...this was leopold talking to the ink-stained wretches in minnesota in april about upcoming collective bargaining: "...we're not making money...we need to fix how much we're spending right now....we're down a little bit in attendance, but we're up in sponsorships, we're up in TV revenue...and so the revenue we're generating is not the issue as much as our expenses...and (the Wild's) biggest expense by far is player salaries..."

i can see don fehr's eyes rolling..

the optics are bad, but i still think minnesota had to sign parise/sutter to give the franchise a shot

 

 

 

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Posted: 7/8/2012 9:35:48 PM
Wasn't it Leopold that opposed the long expensive contracts when he was owner of Nashville?  So now the hypocrite signs these 2 to huge lucrative contracts that almost defies logic.  What a fkn league..gotta love it...when is the strike starting?
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