You sir, don't know much about pro hoops
Thanks for reading
You sir, don't know much about pro hoops
Thanks for reading
I feel my IQ being reduced simply for contributing to this thread.
A title is a title, that all there is to it. These debates are always senseless. Jordan is Jordan for all his reasons and LeBron is the flavor of the month. He's been the face of the league for more than a decade now and has 5 Finals appearance, going a combined 2-3. I don't really do the "Championships define the player" deal, because its a team sport. Kobe got his three and was left out to die before being gifted Gasol and winning another two.
Who knows, maybe even Michael wouldn't have gone onto a second 3peat if it weren't for the additions of Rodman, Harper, and Kukoc.
LeBron winning one for Cleveland will be a real nice story and regionally acclaimed, but in historical context its just another title. It wont trump him over Jordan. It will simply solidify even further his place in the history of the game. Of all the thousands and thousands of players who have played, you remember names like Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, and LeBron. That's good enough.
I feel my IQ being reduced simply for contributing to this thread.
A title is a title, that all there is to it. These debates are always senseless. Jordan is Jordan for all his reasons and LeBron is the flavor of the month. He's been the face of the league for more than a decade now and has 5 Finals appearance, going a combined 2-3. I don't really do the "Championships define the player" deal, because its a team sport. Kobe got his three and was left out to die before being gifted Gasol and winning another two.
Who knows, maybe even Michael wouldn't have gone onto a second 3peat if it weren't for the additions of Rodman, Harper, and Kukoc.
LeBron winning one for Cleveland will be a real nice story and regionally acclaimed, but in historical context its just another title. It wont trump him over Jordan. It will simply solidify even further his place in the history of the game. Of all the thousands and thousands of players who have played, you remember names like Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, and LeBron. That's good enough.
U guys don't get it
Cant see further then the tips of ur noses
Its so plain for me to see...
But don't matter what You guys think or what I think...
You will see...
One Cle title and Jordan who?!?!?
U guys don't get it
Cant see further then the tips of ur noses
Its so plain for me to see...
But don't matter what You guys think or what I think...
You will see...
One Cle title and Jordan who?!?!?
Say they keep wiggins and he BECOMES pippens to bron
This hardly qualifies as a SUPER TEAM!!
Trade him for Love and I think you still far from The heat with LBJ
Love is aint that good folks
Benette is the key here , if he decides to pay and improve with wiggins, you have diomands in the rough !!
On paper, its no super team any way you cut it
and I don't care what Joe public and his fav 3-1 cavs think!
Say they keep wiggins and he BECOMES pippens to bron
This hardly qualifies as a SUPER TEAM!!
Trade him for Love and I think you still far from The heat with LBJ
Love is aint that good folks
Benette is the key here , if he decides to pay and improve with wiggins, you have diomands in the rough !!
On paper, its no super team any way you cut it
and I don't care what Joe public and his fav 3-1 cavs think!
Say they keep wiggins and he BECOMES pippens to bron
This hardly qualifies as a SUPER TEAM!!
Trade him for Love and I think you still far from The heat with LBJ
Love is aint that good folks
Benette is the key here , if he decides to pay and improve with wiggins, you have diomands in the rough !!
On paper, its no super team any way you cut it
and I don't care what Joe public and his fav 3-1 cavs think!
Say they keep wiggins and he BECOMES pippens to bron
This hardly qualifies as a SUPER TEAM!!
Trade him for Love and I think you still far from The heat with LBJ
Love is aint that good folks
Benette is the key here , if he decides to pay and improve with wiggins, you have diomands in the rough !!
On paper, its no super team any way you cut it
and I don't care what Joe public and his fav 3-1 cavs think!
Remember, your on parole.
One miss step and
Remember, your on parole.
One miss step and
Thanks for the Article Papa but I am not an "insider" cant sign in to read the article and wont sign up....
Love's defense on the perimeter is weak. He has trouble moving from side to side and cant defend pick n roll
They will pick on him and I think that great offenses win series but better defence wins championships
my 2 cents as always
Thanks for the Article Papa but I am not an "insider" cant sign in to read the article and wont sign up....
Love's defense on the perimeter is weak. He has trouble moving from side to side and cant defend pick n roll
They will pick on him and I think that great offenses win series but better defence wins championships
my 2 cents as always
Remember, your on parole.
One miss step and
Remember, your on parole.
One miss step and
Numbers don't support Love as a defensive liability
Even the biggest Love skeptic would concede his prowess as a scorer and rebounder -- right before bringing up the defensive end. Here's the thing: It's hard to find statistical support for the widespread notion that Love is a defensive turnstile.
It's possible to highlight stats that showcase Love's defensive shortcomings, particularly as a rim protector. New SportVU player-tracking data on NBA.com showed that last season opponents shot 57.4 percent when Love was within five feet of attempts near the rim, the league's fourth-worst rate among players who defended at least five rim attempts per game.
However, opponent shooting percentage tells only half of the story. Love's reluctance to contest shots also kept him out of foul trouble and opponents off the free throw line. His 1.8 fouls per 36 minutes were the fewest of any regular big man last season (no one else was below 2.0 per 36), and not coincidentally, the Timberwolves allowed the league's lowest rate of free throws per field goal attempt. The trade-off between not fouling and surrendering layups didn't always work out for Minnesota and former coach Rick Adelman encouraged his team to foul more frequently, but looking at opponent shooting percentages without context is unfair to Love.
There's also the matter of rebounding. For individual players, defensive rebounding is not as valuable as offensive rebounding because many defensive rebounds are discretionary -- another defender will get the rebound if one individual does not -- but it's still part of defense, and the Timberwolves have had a better defensive rebound percentage with Love on the court every season of his career. Last season, per NBA.com/Stats, they rebounded 75.3 percent of opponents' misses with Love and 72.4 percent when he was on the bench.
Add it up and ESPN's real plus-minus shows Love as an above-average defensive player, even for a big man. (Post players rate better on defense in plus-minus metrics as compared to perimeter players.) And despite playing Love with another poor rim protector in center Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota was average defensively last season.
Numbers don't support Love as a defensive liability
Even the biggest Love skeptic would concede his prowess as a scorer and rebounder -- right before bringing up the defensive end. Here's the thing: It's hard to find statistical support for the widespread notion that Love is a defensive turnstile.
It's possible to highlight stats that showcase Love's defensive shortcomings, particularly as a rim protector. New SportVU player-tracking data on NBA.com showed that last season opponents shot 57.4 percent when Love was within five feet of attempts near the rim, the league's fourth-worst rate among players who defended at least five rim attempts per game.
However, opponent shooting percentage tells only half of the story. Love's reluctance to contest shots also kept him out of foul trouble and opponents off the free throw line. His 1.8 fouls per 36 minutes were the fewest of any regular big man last season (no one else was below 2.0 per 36), and not coincidentally, the Timberwolves allowed the league's lowest rate of free throws per field goal attempt. The trade-off between not fouling and surrendering layups didn't always work out for Minnesota and former coach Rick Adelman encouraged his team to foul more frequently, but looking at opponent shooting percentages without context is unfair to Love.
There's also the matter of rebounding. For individual players, defensive rebounding is not as valuable as offensive rebounding because many defensive rebounds are discretionary -- another defender will get the rebound if one individual does not -- but it's still part of defense, and the Timberwolves have had a better defensive rebound percentage with Love on the court every season of his career. Last season, per NBA.com/Stats, they rebounded 75.3 percent of opponents' misses with Love and 72.4 percent when he was on the bench.
Add it up and ESPN's real plus-minus shows Love as an above-average defensive player, even for a big man. (Post players rate better on defense in plus-minus metrics as compared to perimeter players.) And despite playing Love with another poor rim protector in center Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota was average defensively last season.
Numbers don't support Love as a defensive liability
Even the biggest Love skeptic would concede his prowess as a scorer and rebounder -- right before bringing up the defensive end. Here's the thing: It's hard to find statistical support for the widespread notion that Love is a defensive turnstile.
It's possible to highlight stats that showcase Love's defensive shortcomings, particularly as a rim protector. New SportVU player-tracking data on NBA.com showed that last season opponents shot 57.4 percent when Love was within five feet of attempts near the rim, the league's fourth-worst rate among players who defended at least five rim attempts per game.
However, opponent shooting percentage tells only half of the story. Love's reluctance to contest shots also kept him out of foul trouble and opponents off the free throw line. His 1.8 fouls per 36 minutes were the fewest of any regular big man last season (no one else was below 2.0 per 36), and not coincidentally, the Timberwolves allowed the league's lowest rate of free throws per field goal attempt. The trade-off between not fouling and surrendering layups didn't always work out for Minnesota and former coach Rick Adelman encouraged his team to foul more frequently, but looking at opponent shooting percentages without context is unfair to Love.
There's also the matter of rebounding. For individual players, defensive rebounding is not as valuable as offensive rebounding because many defensive rebounds are discretionary -- another defender will get the rebound if one individual does not -- but it's still part of defense, and the Timberwolves have had a better defensive rebound percentage with Love on the court every season of his career. Last season, per NBA.com/Stats, they rebounded 75.3 percent of opponents' misses with Love and 72.4 percent when he was on the bench.
Add it up and ESPN's real plus-minus shows Love as an above-average defensive player, even for a big man. (Post players rate better on defense in plus-minus metrics as compared to perimeter players.) And despite playing Love with another poor rim protector in center Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota was average defensively last season.
nice cut and paste
I am goin with I have been seeing
Looks like a tad slow east to west
I truly hope they don't make the trade and take a "gamble" on wiggins
Picked up a snazzy T at the Nba store
Numbers don't support Love as a defensive liability
Even the biggest Love skeptic would concede his prowess as a scorer and rebounder -- right before bringing up the defensive end. Here's the thing: It's hard to find statistical support for the widespread notion that Love is a defensive turnstile.
It's possible to highlight stats that showcase Love's defensive shortcomings, particularly as a rim protector. New SportVU player-tracking data on NBA.com showed that last season opponents shot 57.4 percent when Love was within five feet of attempts near the rim, the league's fourth-worst rate among players who defended at least five rim attempts per game.
However, opponent shooting percentage tells only half of the story. Love's reluctance to contest shots also kept him out of foul trouble and opponents off the free throw line. His 1.8 fouls per 36 minutes were the fewest of any regular big man last season (no one else was below 2.0 per 36), and not coincidentally, the Timberwolves allowed the league's lowest rate of free throws per field goal attempt. The trade-off between not fouling and surrendering layups didn't always work out for Minnesota and former coach Rick Adelman encouraged his team to foul more frequently, but looking at opponent shooting percentages without context is unfair to Love.
There's also the matter of rebounding. For individual players, defensive rebounding is not as valuable as offensive rebounding because many defensive rebounds are discretionary -- another defender will get the rebound if one individual does not -- but it's still part of defense, and the Timberwolves have had a better defensive rebound percentage with Love on the court every season of his career. Last season, per NBA.com/Stats, they rebounded 75.3 percent of opponents' misses with Love and 72.4 percent when he was on the bench.
Add it up and ESPN's real plus-minus shows Love as an above-average defensive player, even for a big man. (Post players rate better on defense in plus-minus metrics as compared to perimeter players.) And despite playing Love with another poor rim protector in center Nikola Pekovic, Minnesota was average defensively last season.
nice cut and paste
I am goin with I have been seeing
Looks like a tad slow east to west
I truly hope they don't make the trade and take a "gamble" on wiggins
Picked up a snazzy T at the Nba store
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