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Posted: 2/13/2010 1:25:34 AM
Isn't asking if Jimi Hendrix is the best guitarist just as bad as asking, isn't a freshly baked brownie covered with french vanilla ice cream and hot fudge the best desert in the world? How can anyone determine who or what is the best in anything art related? To me it makes no sense and it's just a waste of energy that could be spent on chronicling one's musical past, or picking one's nose or banging one's head against a somewhat forgiving wall. The role of an artist is to make the art. The role of the fan or detractor is to share and critique, promote or dissuade. To rank art is to demean art, in any form. You can have favorites and least favorites, but even those change over time, for most of us. There is no friggin way anybody can prove to anybody else that any artist is the best. It is impossible. Prove me wrong.
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Posted: 2/13/2010 2:49:48 PM
It is just as impossible to prove something is the worst this or the worst that. Sheeple need to get a grip. Come on.

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Posted: 2/14/2010 8:55:27 AM
Pointless as hell thread.

Jimmy Page was the best guitarist.

(Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughn, and Jeff Beck would say the same thing and have).........don't even think of mentioning anyone born after 1975...........

Led Zeppelin best rock band ever................Period.

(Don't even think of mentioning any Rock band after 1980)

U2 best 80s band............I'll make this point 10 different ways

Point made..........talk how those 3 statements are not true?

Yes, in fact, you can make the statements "best", and it is not simply a matter of opinion.......

Speaking of "Yes"...............notably by all music effitionados as best progressive band.......before you argue that, don't name some 90s and after band ....progressive. They won't meet the definition.
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Posted: 2/14/2010 12:30:06 PM
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R.E.M. > U2
ELP > Yes
Led Zeppelin > Guns N' Roses (I'll give you that one... barely)


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Posted: 2/14/2010 3:12:44 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by hugh613:

dhop

R.E.M. > U2
ELP > Yes
Led Zeppelin > Guns N' Roses (I'll give you that one... barely)



 Interesting...............I'm inclined to agree with you on ELP/Yes but I can't. As much as I like ELP, they didn't have enough material or longevity to be considered "better" than Yes..............& Yes had enough commercial hits to stay in the picture for much longer than ELP.......

 Can't agree about Zepp & G&R........it's not even close really..........I like Guns & Roses but Zeppelin had what no one else ever did..........or probably ever will.

 Of course this is all subjective............there's some people here that think the 00"s had the best music ever

 But that's why it makes for good discussion.
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Posted: 2/14/2010 3:34:05 PM

Hugh, I'll give you that REM was really good....but the only album that they beat in the 80s was Automatic for the People which beat October but none of the others....but U2 put October (REM arguably beat October, but October still was great and did almost as well in the college scene which, as you know was the only place that REM flourished, until Automatic for the people)....but the U2 albums War, Unforgettable Fire, Joshua Tree, and Achtung Baby catapulted them to super megastar status and better in more ways than just musical tastes, owned the 80s.......If the ego maniac Sting had not left the Police in '83....they would have perhaps given a run for their money. Sychronicity is not even my fav Police Album. Regatta de Blanc is.....They couldn't have gotten along even if they stayed together to top what Synchronicity. Andy Summers and Stewart Copeland hated Sting, rightfully so.

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Genres Progressive rock, symphonic rock, art rock, 
Years active 1968 – 1981
1983 – 2004
2008 – present
Labels Atlantic, Atco, Arista, Victory Records, Sanctuary, Eagle
Associated acts Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe, Asia, UK, Cinema, Flash, XYZ, Circa, The Buggles, GTR, Jon & Vangelis
Website Yesworld: The Official Yes website
Members
Steve Howe
Chris Squire
Alan White
Benoît David
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Former members
See: Personnel section

Yes are an English progressive rock band formed in London in 1968 and generally regarded as one of the archetypal bands of the genre. Despite many lineup changes, occasional splits within the group and the ever-changing trends in popular music, the band has continued on for over forty years and still retains a large following.[1]

The band's music blends symphonic and other 'classical' structures with their own brand of rock music, which is marked by sharp dynamic contrasts, long songs, abstract lyrics, and a general showcasing of instrumental prowess.........
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Led Zep vs GnR  can be debatable, until you observe every single Zep album was great, and they made twice as many, and did far more stadium shows, etc. Count Zeps # of true music fans as GnR........ I can only name 4 GnR songs, but I like them.
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Posted: 2/14/2010 3:37:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dennishopson:

Hugh, I'll give you that REM was really good....but the only album that they beat in the 80s was Automatic for the People which beat October but none of the others....but U2 put October (REM arguably beat October, but October still was great and did almost as well in the college scene which, as you know was the only place that REM flourished, until Automatic for the people)....but the U2 albums War, Unforgettable Fire, Joshua Tree, and Achtung Baby catapulted them to super megastar status and better in more ways than just musical tastes, owned the 80s.......If the ego maniac Sting had not left the Police in '83....they would have perhaps given a run for their money. Sychronicity is not even my fav Police Album. Regatta de Blanc is.....They couldn't have gotten along even if they stayed together to top what Synchronicity. Andy Summers and Stewart Copeland hated Sting, rightfully so.

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia







Genres Progressive rock, symphonic rock, art rock, 
Years active 1968 – 1981
1983 – 2004
2008 – present
Labels Atlantic, Atco, Arista, Victory Records, Sanctuary, Eagle
Associated acts Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe, Asia, UK, Cinema, Flash, XYZ, Circa, The Buggles, GTR, Jon & Vangelis
Website Yesworld: The Official Yes website
Members
Steve Howe
Chris Squire
Alan White
Benoît David
Oliver Wakeman
Former members
See: Personnel section

Yes are an English progressive rock band formed in London in 1968 and generally regarded as one of the archetypal bands of the genre. Despite many lineup changes, occasional splits within the group and the ever-changing trends in popular music, the band has continued on for over forty years and still retains a large following.[1]

The band's music blends symphonic and other 'classical' structures with their own brand of rock music, which is marked by sharp dynamic contrasts, long songs, abstract lyrics, and a general showcasing of instrumental prowess.........
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Led Zep vs GnR  can be debatable, until you observe every single Zep album was great, and they made twice as many, and did far more stadium shows, etc. Count Zeps # of true music fans as GnR........ I can only name 4 GnR songs, but I like them.
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Posted: 2/14/2010 3:49:38 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by THEMUGG:


 Interesting...............I'm inclined to agree with you on ELP/Yes but I can't. As much as I like ELP, they didn't have enough material or longevity to be considered "better" than Yes..............& Yes had enough commercial hits to stay in the picture for much longer than ELP.......

 Can't agree about Zepp & G&R........it's not even close really..........I like Guns & Roses but Zeppelin had what no one else ever did..........or probably ever will.

 Of course this is all subjective............there's some people here that think the 00"s had the best music eve

 But that's why it makes for good discussion.


I can't name perharps Arcade Fire and Kings of Leon as being decent, and perhaps throw in The Killers, but after 2000, that's it and really stretching it.........


Hugh and Mugg, good as always. I just wanted to make the point to the author of this thread, because when 9 of the top ten guitarists, not the populus, but 9 of the best guitarists in the world all name Jimmy Page as the best, I'll take their word for in, and not some silly comparison between flavors of ice cream, etc. like the guy who started this thread.

Absolutely, intelligent people like you Mugg and Hugh, and myself, that are true historians and purists, have enough actual knowledge to come within a slight shadow of any doubt who was the best of what we 3 speak of.........jmw as well and a few others that occasionally pop in here. The first post was so silly in this thread, I had to make the valid and accurate point......


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Posted: 2/14/2010 3:52:23 PM


Either I need glasses or you need to work on your formatting skills dennis.



As for Led Zeppelin vs. Guns N' Roses, I wasn't really trying to argue GNR was better (I was going off what you said about not mentioning anything after 1980, in which case we should probably throw Metallica into the mix as well). Never a big Zepplelin fan to begin with, but you have to give it to them for bringing the harder edge to the Rock genre.


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Posted: 2/14/2010 4:13:56 PM
Hugh that last post was as big as a Buick....

The unreadable part was that while I like REM a lot, 90% of their stuff was mostly limited to college towns and University radio stations, until "Automatic for the People" whisch was arguably great, but out of U2's 80s albums ...War, Unforgettable Fire, Joshua Tree, and Achtung Baby were all better......and by Joshua Tree, U2 was filling Stadiums up. Saw the Joshua Tree in the Pontiac Silverdome for example. If REM played and filled a stadium, I don't recall it.....Hugh, I am in fact a big REM fan though...
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Posted: 2/14/2010 5:36:30 PM
 I love Led Zeppelin....every album was epic.   darn, I even liked CODA.  

But there was a time when the Rolling Stones had this thing going that was right there with Led Zep in that they had something no one else could touch .  Sure, they didn't blow the house down and rock your socks off.  But they had this groove that would give you chills that no other band could capture quite the way they did.  I think the Stones are in the conversation here.  Check it out:

btw: smoke it if you got it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fa4HUiFJ6c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNY8eYmzdH4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qZzu1ZMCv8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtC7WDQEIUc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNAyN7ppizc&feature=related





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I can appreciate that H-L............for some reason, I never got into the Stones. Like Tom Petty, The Who, David Bowie.........I like a lot of their songs but never bought any of the albums/CD's. I like & respect the Stones..........but they just don't "do it" for me.

 What I find amazing is the number of people who have claimed that The Beatles are/were overrated.  I think many forget that there was very little R&R when they started in the early 60's............& they try to compare the Beatles stuff to what's come out since 1970.
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Posted: 2/14/2010 8:08:34 PM
Hi Henry....I'll check those links out.....

Mugg, I think the Stones give about the worst sounding sloppy live performances of any of the "huge" bands.......

In High School I had a lot of their albums, but haven't given a garbage about them since....
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QUOTE Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

I can appreciate that H-L............for some reason, I never got into the Stones. Like Tom Petty, The Who, David Bowie.........I like a lot of their songs but never bought any of the albums/CD's. I like & respect the Stones..........but they just don't "do it" for me.

 What I find amazing is the number of people who have claimed that The Beatles are/were overrated.  I think many forget that there was very little R&R when they started in the early 60's............& they try to compare the Beatles stuff to what's come out since 1970.


I give my girlfriend's 9 year-old daughter a ride to school every morning.  Since she's a captive audience in the car I've been teaching her the finer points of listening to and appreciating "real music" as opposed to "junk pop" (lady gaga, j-lo, whatever she'd otherwise be listening to).  We're currently exploring "Revolver" and "The White Album".  Of course since she's a kid she likes "Yellow Submarine" and "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" and "Rocky Raccoon," but when she hears "Dear Prudence" or "She Said She Said" and responds with, "I like it, it's weird, but I like it...what does it mean?"  
 Helps me feel some hope for the future.


The Beatles are in a class all their own.  To think this was released in 1966:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB3HHrd3Qis&feature=related 




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Posted: 2/14/2010 8:36:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dennishopson:

Hi Henry....I'll check those links out.....

Mugg, I think the Stones give about the worst sounding sloppy live performances of any of the "huge" bands.......

In High School I had a lot of their albums, but haven't given a garbage about them since....

I agree that the Stones can mail it in live sometimes D-hop.  BUT check out this mesmerizing version of "Under My Thumb" taken from a film called "Gimme Shelter."  This is the Altamont concert where the acid stoned Hell's Angels killed a guy in the crowd.  I like this version much better than the original.  Turn it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFYwT35VLE4


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Posted: 2/14/2010 11:36:43 PM
 Henry.....I love Led Zeppelin....every album was epic.   darn, I even liked CODA. 

When I lived in the Bay Area, I had some stupid little account out in Tracy. I had to drive up and over that Altamont Pass. Everytime, I reflect on that historical Stones concert, Hells Angels, all of it.......

.....I still can't believe it happened there. It just looks like a little farm ranch nestled in towards the top West side of the past.

Henry, thanks for that link. I'll check it out and see if I can download it off Limewire and get it into my itunes and Pods........

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I give my girlfriend's 9 year-old daughter a ride to school every morning.  Since she's a captive audience in the car I've been teaching her the finer points of listening to and appreciating "real music" as opposed to "junk pop" (lady gaga, j-lo, whatever she'd otherwise be listening to).  We're currently exploring "Revolver" and "The White Album".  Of course since she's a kid she likes "Yellow Submarine" and "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" and "Rocky Raccoon," but when she hears "Dear Prudence" or "She Said She Said" and responds with, "I like it, it's weird, but I like it...what does it mean?"  
 Helps me feel some hope for the future.


The Beatles are in a class all their own.  To think this was released in 1966:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB3HHrd3Qis&feature=related 




 Very cool H-L..........you're a good man. I did that with my daughter (who is now 22). I never pushed it on her, but whenever we drove somewhere I had on some type of classic rock & although she still went through her "Hanson's" stage she eventually started to see the difference between fad music & artful music. When I showed her some concert footage of Supertramp, PF, Led Zeppelin, etc. she "saw the light". I took her with me to the Roger Waters show in Seattle (5 rows from the stage) & she loved it.

 All we can do is put it out there & give future generations an opportunity to grasp it.......

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Posted: 2/15/2010 9:59:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dennishopson:

Hugh that last post was as big as a Buick....

The unreadable part was that while I like REM a lot, 90% of their stuff was mostly limited to college towns and University radio stations, until "Automatic for the People" whisch was arguably great, but out of U2's 80s albums ...War, Unforgettable Fire, Joshua Tree, and Achtung Baby were all better......and by Joshua Tree, U2 was filling Stadiums up. Saw the Joshua Tree in the Pontiac Silverdome for example. If REM played and filled a stadium, I don't recall it.....Hugh, I am in fact a big REM fan though...
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