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Author:	[NFL Betting] Topic: Super bowl line - going up or down?
vanzack	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Pinnacle Sports \|
Legend Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 49693 Location: Equatorial Guinea	#1 Posted: 2/1/2013 1:42:22 PM Lets hear some theories. Im always in the mood to speculate and try to make some money on the line swing. I think there was a slight head fake towards SF recently in the line, but I think it will go towards Balt from here. Right now SF is -109 / +101 (at pinny), but am guessing a reversal of that by gametime to Balt -110 / +102. Anyone think the line will get off 3.5? Any other speculation?
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PapaShango	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
All-Star Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12300 Location:	#2 Posted: 2/1/2013 1:48:20 PM Think it will end at 3. Who do you like at 3.5 van?
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Veteran Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 1697 Location: Hawaii	#3 Posted: 2/1/2013 1:48:28 PM I think it will go to 4 by game time. If it goes to 3 then i think baltimore will cover. If it goes to 4 i think niners cover. 3.5 looks like a toss up but i still think niners cover.
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BIGfnPOO	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
All-Star Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 12150 Location: United States	#4 Posted: 2/1/2013 1:49:54 PM its -4 here 3 -120 in other books back east and i see some 3.5s
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dimndimn	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2898 Location: California	#5 Posted: 2/1/2013 1:50:21 PM Should go to -4, if not -4.5 as the late west coast money comes in on the weekend.
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vanzack	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Pinnacle Sports \|
Legend Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 49693 Location: Equatorial Guinea	#6 Posted: 2/1/2013 1:52:45 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by PapaShango: Think it will end at 3. Who do you like at 3.5 van? Gun to my head.... I take Balt at 3.5. I thought (and still think) it is a dead 3 point line - so at 3.5 it might be worth a small bet for me - especially at +101 or so. But I dont love it either way. I do think that the extra week definitely favors Balt in prep for Kapernick. That spread option shouldnt be a problem - and they will make him throw more. I like that position with the Ravens - if he beats us in the air and makes the throws - so be it - but I am going to MAKE him make the throws. If that happens, Balt is the side I would want to be on.
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vanzack	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Pinnacle Sports \|
Legend Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 49693 Location: Equatorial Guinea	#7 Posted: 2/1/2013 1:53:58 PM I would prefer to keep the discussion apples to apples - so lets use the pinnacle line as the source line. I realize everyone will have a book that is on possibly different numbers, or a local on 4.5 or something - but will the real source line (pinnacle) move? So far, 2-1 say move to SF.
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budwiser	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 4821 Location:	#8 Posted: 2/1/2013 2:05:32 PM I think it pretty much stays where it is, slight move to 4 There's no way it gets to 3. There would be an instant flood of SF $.
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dimndimn	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2898 Location: California	#9 Posted: 2/1/2013 2:28:11 PM Historically, 80% of all bets will come in the last 48 hours and that should be on SF. If you're going to bet Baltimore I think it can only help you to wait. Kaepernick throwing instead of running only benefits the 49ers I think. His arm accuracy and ability to throw on the move is highly overshadowed by his running. His true strength is his arm, not his legs.
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vanzack	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Pinnacle Sports \|
Legend Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 49693 Location: Equatorial Guinea	#10 Posted: 2/1/2013 3:07:55 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by dimndimn: Historically, 80% of all bets will come in the last 48 hours and that should be on SF. If you're going to bet Baltimore I think it can only help you to wait. Kaepernick throwing instead of running only benefits the 49ers I think. His arm accuracy and ability to throw on the move is highly overshadowed by his running. His true strength is his arm, not his legs. You might be right.... But 8 weeks ago he was on the bench. So make him prove it in the biggest pressure game on the planet. I would take my chances on that one.
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Michfan15	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Captain Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 6442 Location: New York	#11 Posted: 2/1/2013 3:34:59 PM line will stay at 3.5 but the ml for the ravens will come down imo
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luckyhands	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 236 Location: United States	#12 Posted: 2/1/2013 3:36:18 PM Why do you only want to discuss Pinnacle's lines? Is BookMaker and 5Dimes not a large enough book/pool of bettors that would be legitimate enough to go off of? BookMaker is sitting at +4 right now.
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luckyhands	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 236 Location: United States	#13 Posted: 2/1/2013 3:39:29 PM I do not see this move as a head fake. I think the uptick in 49er money was real and any swing back to Baltimore is because much of the gambling world is in love with the dog this year. I am not doubting your reasoning or insight into why you think Baltimore may be a good wager, just my two cents into what the general consensus might be out there in my humble opinion. If you've looked around here the past 10 days, you for sure have seen the insane amount of love for the Ravens on this board.
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Bmore	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 144 Location:	#14 Posted: 2/1/2013 3:55:52 PM If anything this line will go to SF-3 but i think it might hold steady at 3.5 but the price for that might change I agree with your exact thoughts on Kap and i used the same reasoning as to why i backed ATL last week If Balt buys into playing disciplined TEAM defense and keep there integrity when rushing the QB i.e not getting out of there rush lanes and keeping Kap in the pocket i will take my chances with him in the pocket making throws with the best saftey to ever play the game lurking back there BTW i am a cowboy fan not a raven fan despite my username and me living in bmore my whole life. GL all
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SarasotaSlim	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
MVP Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 18560 Location: United States	#15 Posted: 2/1/2013 4:23:08 PM LVH moved the line to -4 2hrs ago..........
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HateChalk	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: May 2006 Posts: 243 Location:	#16 Posted: 2/1/2013 4:28:21 PM I think late money just about always comes in on the favorite. I think it stays at 3.5, but at -120.
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luckyhands	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 236 Location: United States	#17 Posted: 2/1/2013 4:39:15 PM i say it is at -4 RIGHT NOW in a number of places......alot of them
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vanzack	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Pinnacle Sports \|
Legend Joined: Nov 2001 Posts: 49693 Location: Equatorial Guinea	#18 Posted: 2/1/2013 4:49:34 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by luckyhands: Why do you only want to discuss Pinnacle's lines? Is BookMaker and 5Dimes not a large enough book/pool of bettors that would be legitimate enough to go off of? BookMaker is sitting at +4 right now. I see from your multiple posts about it, that you are interested in pointing out that the line is different at other places. In order to show real movement, you have to have a baseline. I chose Pinnacle simply because it is the biggest sportsbook in the world, and is the source of most line moves. So lets stick with Pinnacle for the purposes of showing relative movement from a fixed point - in this case the SF -3.5 -109 line that was established in this thread at 1:42 EST Friday. The line has not moved since then. I assume by your posts, you are saying that the line WILL move and it will move up to -4 because there are several other places that you know about that are already there. Fair enough, point taken. It is interesting that it is somewhat split in this thread so far. Keep the opinions coming. As usual, I am more interested in line movement leading up to the game than the actual game itself.
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Crusher13	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2727 Location: Texas	#19 Posted: 2/1/2013 4:55:51 PM Hey VAN, gotta think it'll be mostly 49er money pouring in over the weekend with a -4 the final number. Attractive either way,(sf ML or +4) gotta think there'll be some delicious props... easier pickings than these 2 sides, Game could easily fall SF 3 pt win How bout you? Leans on props? The total? I could see an absolute defensive slugfest too since coaches are brothers who think similarly
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chillinmcm	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 3222 Location: Ontario	#20 Posted: 2/1/2013 4:57:46 PM I'd say it'll stay at 4 till sunday and close at 3.5. I locked in right after the Balt/pats game and got +4.5 for plus money pretty happy with that.
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dimndimn	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 2898 Location: California	#21 Posted: 2/1/2013 4:58:34 PM vanzack - what do you make of the initial opening line movements? It looks like it shot up from 3.5 to as high as 5 and O/U came down from 49.5 to 47.5 - I can't really grasp the reasoning behind all of this movement.
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kbrod66	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 353 Location: Massachusetts	#22 Posted: 2/1/2013 5:12:43 PM its rolling in now on the winning 49ers
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glyde69	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Pinnacle Sports \|
Veteran Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 4404 Location: New Jersey	#23 Posted: 2/1/2013 5:49:07 PM Think line goes up to -4/-4.5 by game time. Just my gut feeling from 20 years of experience betting.
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DoubleUp4Life	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: 5Dimes \|
Legend Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 30642 Location: New York	#24 Posted: 2/1/2013 5:57:56 PM The wrong team is favored IMNHO that being said I could see the line move to -4 ... should be lots of chalk bettors coming
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Europa	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Legend Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 30937 Location: California	#25 Posted: 2/1/2013 6:02:17 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by glyde69: Think line goes up to -4/-4.5 by game time. Just my gut feeling from 20 years of experience betting. Who do you like, glyde?
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