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#1 Posted: 5/9/2012 10:54:04 PM
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Until money is out of politics things will never improve, I dont care which side of the political coin the candidate is on.
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#2 Posted: 5/10/2012 12:27:28 AM I agree totally - the plutocracy/oligarchy will only continue & get worse 
Dem/repub is basically secondary to this, though I don't see how anyone could vote for a guy like Romney...especially a true conservative. So much of the stuff nowadays is just reality tv & entertainment created by the real $$ and power - |
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#3 Posted: 5/10/2012 2:14:49 AM
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#4 Posted: 5/10/2012 9:20:10 AM  |
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#5 Posted: 5/10/2012 9:38:41 AM 
"Money in politics" isn't the, or A, problem.
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#6 Posted: 5/10/2012 9:40:50 AM For example, the financial, health care and energy industries spent a combined $570 million in 2009-10 lobbying against reforms targeting their respective sectors, he notes.
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Right, and if the government wasn't so busy trying to regulate those industries, there would be no need for them to spend so much money.
Shrink the government and the "problem" will fix itself.
Of coruse wallstreet and these other people think all regulations are good and government is benevolent.
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#7 Posted: 5/10/2012 9:59:23 AM
odd, that these same people always thing that government is the only solution
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#8 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:35:10 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad: For example, the financial, health care and energy industries spent a combined $570 million in 2009-10 lobbying against reforms targeting their respective sectors, he notes.
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Right, and if the government wasn't so busy trying to regulate those industries, there would be no need for them to spend so much money.
Shrink the government and the "problem" will fix itself.
Of coruse wallstreet and these other people think all regulations are good and government is benevolent.
Oh really..interesting.
Where have I ever said that all regulation is good?
Shrinking government does not change or eliminate greed.
Greed is the problem, money in politics equates to legislation inequality and those who have the money get the favors and biases.
Businesses know that buying favors has a strong rate of return, they do not donate for a tax deduction.
be easy, odd how so? Did you listen to the video or are you just looking to kick more dust? |
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#9 Posted: 5/10/2012 12:23:49 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
money in politics equates to legislation inequality and those who have the money get the favors and biases.
Businesses know that buying favors has a strong rate of return, they do not donate for a tax deduction.
As if this is even a question....
Absolutely the amount of money in US politics is a huge problem, if not THE problem.
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#10 Posted: 5/10/2012 1:02:20 PM
who on Capitol Hill votes or does anything w/o $$$$$$$$ affecting the vote.....from lobbyists to their portfolios whatever....
in the end...... Money talks and bullshit walks ..... unless the money is behind the bullshit (which is true 99%) 
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#11 Posted: 5/10/2012 1:12:47 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Oh really..interesting.
Where have I ever said that all regulation is good?
Shrinking government does not change or eliminate greed.
Greed is the problem, money in politics equates to legislation inequality and those who have the money get the favors and biases.
Businesses know that buying favors has a strong rate of return, they do not donate for a tax deduction.
be easy, odd how so? Did you listen to the video or are you just looking to kick more dust?
Where have you ever named a regulation you think is bad?
"Greed" is not a problem. "Greed" fuels innovation and America's economy which raises our standard of living.
It is funny to repeat your same mantra "buying favors" in the response to the suggestion that no favors should need to be bought.
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#12 Posted: 5/10/2012 1:54:55 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by AcerRubrum: it IS all about the money WTF ..... c'mon man who on Capitol Hill votes or does anything w/o $$$$$$$$ affecting the vote.....from lobbyists to their portfolios whatever.... in the end...... Money talks and bullshit walks ..... unless the money is behind the bullshit (which is true 99%)
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#13 Posted: 5/10/2012 6:48:44 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:
"Money in politics" isn't the, or A, problem.
I am baffled by this comment. I am not a liberal and am all for small government (Smaller and less obtrusive the better) but how can you say the lobbyists etc. are not a problem. It is pretty much legal bribery for darn sake.
I don't often agree with Wall or DJ but I whole heartedly agree to get the lobbyists out of government or we will continue to be sold out again and again. With the lobbyists padding government officials pockets we have no chance to be truly represented as we are supposed to be.
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#14 Posted: 5/11/2012 2:22:11 AM
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#15 Posted: 5/12/2012 9:42:39 AM  . for those with their eyes open, this is the undeniable fact
Bradley is correct in one thing, the congressman/politicians are worthless and they are not who we ought be looking at for solutions, rather we the citizenry are the only hope for change. so what have you done to fulfill your citizens dutys to promote positive change
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#16 Posted: 5/12/2012 10:44:13 AM grandiose statements to sell his book
its moneys fault 
its the guns fault
is it my beds fault if i over sleep?
is it my cars fault if i crash it?
is it the boozes fault my head hurts? |
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#17 Posted: 5/12/2012 11:15:19 AM 
the problem lies in the politics of money, not the money in the politics. how this is not overly clear to all by now is beyond me. I guess they are the same folk that cling to their outdated models and beliefs. 
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#18 Posted: 5/12/2012 1:52:23 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy: Crying foul and playing the victim every time things dont go according to plan, makes for a bunch of worthless sissies the problem lies in the politics of money, not the money in the politics. how this is not overly clear to all by now is beyond me. I guess they are the same folk that cling to their outdated models and beliefs.
That makes no sense, you blame politics instead of money, what about deception of the private sector to the consumer?
What is the fault for deception and dishonesty in pretty much any transaction?
Greed, the desire to take monetary advantage of one party over the other.
So what is to blame when a developer takes a parcel and knows it has toxic deposits that are harmful, but if the developer discloses the information then they have to pay to clean it up or mark it down to fair value? Is that monetary cost the reason the developer does not disclose it? Of course.
Pretty much every decision of dishonesty where money is involved is due to money, power equates to more money and more power.
He was selling a book that is true, and that is a good reason to discount his presentation, but the concept of removing money from politics how can that be a bad idea?
Have campaign funding be pre-determined and funded from the taxpayer and zero outside contributions, just a flat rate that both candidates get and that would get rid of a ton of problems.
The politics of money exists across all of society, not just politics alone. |
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#19 Posted: 5/13/2012 2:43:50 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by rooster010: grandiose statements to sell his book
its moneys fault
its the guns fault
is it my beds fault if i over sleep?
is it my cars fault if i crash it?
is it the boozes fault my head hurts?
It is interesting that certain groups of people are obsessed with scape goating and fabrication of negative attribution... anything other then taking personal responsibility...
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#20 Posted: 6/15/2012 4:14:20 PM
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#21 Posted: 6/15/2012 5:19:03 PM 
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#22 Posted: 6/15/2012 5:30:02 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36: It has certainly been a tough month for SAFs/supporters...
And that will help things?
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#23 Posted: 6/15/2012 5:46:59 PM
But suspect that you are well aware of which alias and/or supporter is responsible for the attacks... Last year there were at least a dozen, probably more...
so what is your proposal?
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