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#26 Posted: 2/1/2012 4:38:15 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan:
I don't feel I'm entitled to their money, I have a retirement and SS, which I contributed to for 49 years.
The right-wing have changed the rules on Capital gains taxes. Romney was part of Bain, and they lobbied Congress with boo coo money, resulting in the tax percentage reduction.
Romney made millions more on that, then hid it off shore.
Do you actually want to vote for that thief ? So don't tell me about rules. Repulsicans make their own rules at the expense of the poor... the greedy B.
I am not a Romney supporter, but do you have any proof of a tax haven? I understood that he paid taxes on all of his offshore accounts and they were used to facilitate deals in other countries. Which makes sense, I just do not want to take your word for it, I have heard nothing to contradict his story, other than your conjecture.
15% is completely reasonable (I think much too high) on capital gains. You can not expect to raise capital gains to anywhere north of that and get returns in the form of investment in American industry.
We are actually getting to a point where manufacturing jobs want to come back to America, and you want to raise capital gains. The funniest part is that you see no correlation.
I have heard everything from a Transaction tax on financial instruments (which will devastate Euro reinvestment, and maybe collapse the Swiss Franc along with it) , to a value added tax (another failed model of taxation). Why are we constantly looking for more routes of income, and not even thinking about cuts. It is ridiculous.
Taxes should never be higher than they are now. There should be a more fair tax code, where everyone has a stake in the game (even you). Everyone should be taxed on essentially the same percentage. If the poor want to raise the taxes on the rich, they should realize that they are raising taxes on themselves.
The jealousy and envy that I see in today's debate is just so pathetic. If you want more money Don, Go be a wal mart greeter, you had your chance at making a fortune, now don't ruin mine because you are bitter that you failed.
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#27 Posted: 2/1/2012 5:08:59 PM Ricky, I don't need nor want any more money. I'm content with a modest house. If I were rich, I'd only give it away, certainly not hide hundreds of millions off shore while there are millions of people suffering. It's people with your attidude who think it's all about the money. They cause all the problems in the world. Gimme gimme, gimme.
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#28 Posted: 2/1/2012 5:18:18 PM
. The true rich are those in good health.
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#29 Posted: 2/1/2012 5:22:22 PM Rick, I disagree with you. When you donate millions of dollars to a candidate, after he wins, he owes you. The politicians are always changing the rules to make their financiers richer. Look who got bailed out?
For a presidential candidate to have a Swiss Bank Account is a little odd. Support Swiss Banks but not American banks? Does the word GREED come into play here? Romney has been greedy all his life. For Obama, greed is a new thing.
And while all this wheeling and dealing between corporations and government have been going on, the middle class is disintergrating.
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#30 Posted: 2/1/2012 5:32:41 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan: Ricky, I don't need nor want any more money. I'm content with a modest house. If I were rich, I'd only give it away, certainly not hide hundreds of millions off shore while there are millions of people suffering. It's people with your attidude who think it's all about the money. They cause all the problems in the world. Gimme gimme, gimme.
Just image a world where people helped people, and loved one another. The true rich are those in good health.
caution don juan, the following links are whats known as facts, and these facts contradict the premise of your argument.
conservatives, rich and poor, give more to charity than liberals.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html
http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/07/dataset-of-the-day-who-is-more-generous-republicans-or-democrats/
once again we have liberals crying for something yet doing the opposite in their personal lives.
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#31 Posted: 2/1/2012 5:35:05 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by promark12:
Rick, I disagree with you. When you donate millions of dollars to a candidate, after he wins, he owes you. The politicians are always changing the rules to make their financiers richer. Look who got bailed out?
For a presidential candidate to have a Swiss Bank Account is a little odd. Support Swiss Banks but not American banks? Does the word GREED come into play here? Romney has been greedy all his life. For Obama, greed is a new thing.
And while all this wheeling and dealing between corporations and government have been going on, the middle class is disintergrating.
Just a coincidence?
What is your definition of greed? Wanting to make more money?
I guess I'm greedy too.
What Rick said makes perfect sense to me and because you disagreed and Don Juan has no clue what capital gains are, you both lost credibility with me. |
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#32 Posted: 2/1/2012 6:39:23 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
What is your definition of greed? Wanting to make more money?
I guess I'm greedy too.
What Rick said makes perfect sense to me and because you disagreed and Don Juan has no clue what capital gains are, you both lost credibility with me.
Nothing wrong with earning more money, IF you need it. However, when you make millions off the backs of others sweat. and not give back...That's Greed..
And, I have paid capital gains tax, But Bowlshlit, I'll bet you haven't. |
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#33 Posted: 2/1/2012 6:55:53 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan:
Nothing wrong with earning more money, IF you need it. However, when you make millions off the backs of others sweat. and not give back...That's Greed..
And, I have paid capital gains tax, But Bowlshlit, I'll bet you haven't.
This will always be the fundamental difference between liberals and conservatives: Conservatives believe in allowing the individual to decide "if they need it." Liberals believe the govt should decide "if you need it." |
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#34 Posted: 2/1/2012 7:07:14 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan:
And you, you're another one.
No one said anything abot tax rates above 50%, . If they make a million a year, 38% is about all we are demanding..
You mean that they are not satisfied with about 620,000 a year take home ? Not satisfied with 51,000 A MONTH CLEAR ? The greedy B
We? Why are you demanding it? What stake do you have to another's private property?
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#35 Posted: 2/1/2012 7:39:51 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan:
Nothing wrong with earning more money, IF you need it. However, when you make millions off the backs of others sweat. and not give back...That's Greed..
And, I have paid capital gains tax, But Bowlshlit, I'll bet you haven't.
Fundamental difference between Me, and You Don. I believe that a man has the right to keep what he earns, and should spend money the way that he sees fit. Stealing money from this man is not charity it is theft. When the man decides to give to charity that is charity. There are a lot of organizations worldwide set up by the wealthy that make the world a little better, and because there is no bureaucratic bullshit they can actually do some good. An example (whether you agree with them or not) is the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.
Out of the 42 million Romney made he gave 7 million to charity. that is after paying his 15% penalty on being successful.
Do you think that we should eliminate private investment and just all get checks from the govt. based on what they think we deserve?
Do you honestly think that is a model for prosperity and happiness?
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#36 Posted: 2/1/2012 8:10:37 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan:
And you, you're another one.
No one said anything abot tax rates above 50%, . If they make a million a year, 38% is about all we are demanding..
You mean that they are not satisfied with about 620,000 a year take home ? Not satisfied with 51,000 A MONTH CLEAR ? The greedy B
This is what leads me to believe you don't understand the difference between capital gains vs Income tax.
Dont hate the pointer outer!
38% Income tax.
15% Capital gains tax.
Hmm could that be because capital gains funds have already been taxed as income? YES
Im glad I could help you understand that concept. If I haven't then what percentage do you think is fair for money that has already been taxed? |
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#37 Posted: 2/1/2012 8:34:25 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
This is what leads me to believe you don't understand the difference between capital gains vs Income tax.
Dont hate the pointer outer!
38% Income tax.
15% Capital gains tax.
Hmm could that be because capital gains funds have already been taxed as income? YES
Im glad I could help you understand that concept. If I haven't then what percentage do you think is fair for money that has already been taxed?
This freaking guy has no idea what he's talking about |
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