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Posted: 3/26/2012 2:06:17 PM
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and do all of these non union workers all sit down separately to discuss their own contracts?  of course not dumbass. A non union guy will sit down and work what you all get paid withthe company.
So guess that make you a box for letting another person work out what you get paid

owned again.

Is this what your company right now pays you to do everyday? Hang out on a gambling message board all day?  Talk about lazy workers, you might want to look in the mirror?  just another fuckin hypocrite
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Posted: 3/26/2012 2:09:27 PM
http://assets.usw.org/news/alcoa/alcoa-summary-2010-final-web-version-corrected2.pdf

sure does look like alcoa uses more union plants then non union plants? 
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Posted: 3/26/2012 2:27:28 PM
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and do all of these non union workers all sit down separately to discuss their own contracts?  of course not dumbass. A non union guy will sit down and work what you all get paid withthe company.
So guess that make you a box for letting another person work out what you get paid

owned again.

Is this what your company right now pays you to do everyday? Hang out on a gambling message board all day?  Talk about lazy workers, you might want to look in the mirror?  just another fuckin hypocrite

No union guy works out anything. The pay scale is set by management and if you want a job you take what they give you. If you want to get promoted and make more money then you work hard and build a good track record.

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Posted: 3/26/2012 5:36:06 PM
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Posted: 3/26/2012 6:35:58 PM
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union talking point

Why would you discredit CD's arguements? Did you forget that you two are Covers flaming liberal buddies?

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Posted: 3/26/2012 7:17:56 PM
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Why would you discredit CD's arguements? Did you forget that you two are Covers flaming liberal buddies?



Please show me all my flaming liberal views i have?  I expect crickets on that one.  Like i have already said, i dont vote by party line, unlike guys like you who are brain washed into only voting for right wingers. I vote for the person and not the party jackass.
I was even on record before the Presidential election that i would have voted for McCain, if he didnt pick palin as his VP. I guess voting for McCain would have been a vote a flaming liberal would make  Face it due, you a total behind clown, with a sorry lonely life who is gonna work in a cubicle for the rest of your life.
Your tombstone will read, "here lies the snake oil salesman who robbed countless people in his life"  Hopefully a bunch of dogs will take daily dumps on your grave site.
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Posted: 3/26/2012 7:18:50 PM
How come alcoa has all these union plants, if non union workers are the ultimate workers on the planet?
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Posted: 3/26/2012 7:21:53 PM
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Oakley, without a union to protect workers, could be basically fired for whatever reason the boss so desires. The non union worker might not get along with another worker and if that worker happens to be a friend of the bosses, you can say bye bye job, because the boss will just find a way to can your behind and since you dont have a union to protect you, good luck hiring your own lawyer and trying to get the garbage solved.
Look no further then the person head boss who fired 11 workers for wearing orange, when there was no rules against what colors you wore to work.  Ny guess is he lost big bucks on one of the teams in the NCCA tourney whos colors were orange and he just couldnt stomach looking at them all day.
Do you really want to work for a company, where the company has all the power over its workers and if the boss happens to dislike you for whatever reason, he cans your behind and then just says he was a bad or lazy worker. It will be the bosses word against the workers word

I believe there are labor boards a non union employee can file a grievance with. Just saying.............................

any good employer knows its best asset is its people and sometimes people get hired, fired, laid off, reprimanded or get bonuses, pay raises etc.

Non union people are not without representation if they feel their employer has dismissed them unlawfully.

Just stating my opinions and throwing in a few facts for good measure

 

 

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Posted: 3/26/2012 7:24:07 PM
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How come alcoa has all these union plants, if non union workers are the ultimate workers on the planet?

every situation calls for different approaches sometimes. The world is not black and white and neither are business decisions. There are gray areas that some management people feel to see with all their useless book smarts. I have seen many bad business decisons with regard to union and non union workers.

 

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Posted: 3/26/2012 7:27:27 PM
also, there are good union guys and bad as well as good and bad non union guys. Each individual is differnt in their own right
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Posted: 3/26/2012 7:29:54 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

I believe there are labor boards a non union employee can file a grievance with. Just saying.............................

any good employer knows its best asset is its people and sometimes people get hired, fired, laid off, reprimanded or get bonuses, pay raises etc.

Non union people are not without representation if they feel their employer has dismissed them unlawfully.

Just stating my opinions and throwing in a few facts for good measure

 

 



I agree with some of your points, but my point is when there is no union, alot more people get wrongfully fired from their jobs and in alot of cases, its the bosses word against yours. But my other point was that ther must be alot of people getting wrongfully fired from their jobs or else you would not see lawyers setting up practices to only deal with that area of the law. Without a lot of cases, lawyers wouldnt make money then. Insurance boy believes becuse he doesnt hear about all these wrongful firings in the country, then they must not be happening, which is totally not true. If this case with the orange shirt was only 1 person and not 11, this story would not have made any newspapers, radio or tv.
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Posted: 3/26/2012 7:35:54 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

also, there are good union guys and bad as well as good and bad non union guys. Each individual is differnt in their own right


Thats exactly what i have been saying for years. Its all about each person.
Theres excellent workers on both sides.

Truth is i wouldnt want to work at a job, lets say where i was banging the ex wife of another worker and that worker was great friends with the owner of the company and no matter how good i did my job, he does his buddy a favor and fires my behind. Thats just 1 example.
I have worked along side some lazy union workers that were getting the same pay me and others were getting. Do you think we didnt go to our bosses about the guy, just because he was in the union with us?  Think again.  No person is gonna work along side me and slack off, while earning the same pay as me.  Just aint gonna happen
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Posted: 3/26/2012 8:58:20 PM
"alot more ppl get wrongfully fired"

That's an opinion cd unless you have some data to back it. Does it happen? Sure, is it an epidemic? I doubt it but don't really have any data
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Posted: 3/26/2012 9:02:20 PM
Labor law attnys cover alot of issues including OSHA regs etc.
It's kinda of like malpractice lawyers. There is a market but to make it sustainable and sizeable they create a bigger market with their tactics. Just watch tv for a short stretch and u will see at least one layer ad.
It's a sue happy world cd
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Posted: 3/26/2012 9:04:05 PM
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Curious to know what happened to your lazy coworker when you went to your boss.
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Posted: 3/26/2012 9:17:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

"alot more ppl get wrongfully fired"

That's an opinion cd unless you have some data to back it. Does it happen? Sure, is it an epidemic? I doubt it but don't really have any data


Maybe you are missing the point here. No i dont know how many wrongful firings happen in the country each year and neither does insurance boy.
But i do know that a lawyer isnt going to start a law practice and only practice that one area of the law, if there wasnt alot of clients out there, now would he? This is just pure common sense. You think, lawyers are going to be just doing that area of the law, if there wasnt money to be made?  Come on even you know better.
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Posted: 3/26/2012 9:22:45 PM
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Curious to know what happened to your lazy coworker when you went to your boss.


me and a few others went to the boss, stating that a fellow worker wasnt doing his share of the work. The boss then made his business to investigate and watch the worker closer, at which time he found what we said to be true. He had a meeting with the employee about his work ethics and from that day forward he did his fair share.    I also have seen union firefighters get fired for a bunch of differnt reasons. So this stuff that union guys dont get fired his crap. Nobody wants a bad worker working, union or non union
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Posted: 3/26/2012 9:36:59 PM
Pretty sad this is even an issue. Who gives a darn.
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Posted: 3/26/2012 10:02:14 PM
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Frivolous lawsuits get filed everyday. Many get settled out of court bc it's cheaper for the company involved.
There's plenty of money to be made by a lawyer in any area they chose to practice in.
The key is that most companies will just settle out of court is key bc it means a quick payday.
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Posted: 3/26/2012 10:10:14 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

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Frivolous lawsuits get filed everyday. Many get settled out of court bc it's cheaper for the company involved.
There's plenty of money to be made by a lawyer in any area they chose to practice in.
The key is that most companies will just settle out of court is key bc it means a quick payday.


Oh my God, just drop it because its clear you still dont get it.
Yes i know theres lawsuits filed everyday, that isnt what we are talking about.
Insurance boy said there isnt many wrongful firing in the country, which he has no numbers to back up his claim. Its just his opinion.
My opinion is there must be alot of wrongful firings for and let me phrase this better for you, because you dont want read what i wrote for some reason and just keep trying to twist it into other lawsuit bullshit.
There are lawyers whos only thing they practice at their office of their own business is wrongful firings. Now why would any lawyer in their right mind set up a business only doing that work, if there wasnt a lot of clients for them to represent?

Like i said bottomline is insurance boy throws all this bullshit, but he has no facts or proof to back up anything he says. Its all just his own opinion and nothing else.
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Posted: 3/26/2012 10:21:05 PM
Glad to hear ur coworker smartened up and did his work. It's the same in most private companies. Either pull ur weight or your out the door.
I will add that if ur coworker didn't pull his weight then he would have sent back to union hall and sit the bench until another union job came up? Or he would have filed a complaint with the steward and been put back on the job?

Private workers can file a complaint as well but they won't be offered their job back usually. The labor board makes that ruling and I believe statistically they rule in favor of the employee not te employer.
There is an process for all workers regardless of union or non union.
Anyways, we basically agree on the fundamentals.
Carry on my good man
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Posted: 3/26/2012 10:35:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:

Glad to hear ur coworker smartened up and did his work. It's the same in most private companies. Either pull ur weight or your out the door.
I will add that if ur coworker didn't pull his weight then he would have sent back to union hall and sit the bench until another union job came up? Or he would have filed a complaint with the steward and been put back on the job?

Private workers can file a complaint as well but they won't be offered their job back usually. The labor board makes that ruling and I believe statistically they rule in favor of the employee not te employer.
There is an process for all workers regardless of union or non union.
Anyways, we basically agree on the fundamentals.
Carry on my good man


Honestly some of you watch to much tv shows and bullshit news programs.
The guy was a firefighter, what union hall was he going to be sent to, in order for another job to open up? Some of you guys got this union protection garbage way off. The fire dept isnt the fuckin sopranos.
This guy had a choice to ship up or ship out. Theres no reason for the union to protect useless workers when you are dealing with the lives of the public and fellow workers. Fire fighting is not a game and people can die, if you dont have everybody pulling their own weight.
Some of you think we got jimmy knuckles and joey bag of donuts sitting home collecting their check with no show jobs.
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Posted: 3/27/2012 9:46:17 PM
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Where there are laws and regulations there are going to be abuses and nuances of the law that attorneys argue in a court of law for a particular party.
Hence the labor law attorneys.
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