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Posted: 3/22/2012 8:14:29 AM
also, if you dont like apple or walmart's business practices dont shop there. dont buy their products

vote with your wallet instead of pushing for more government mandates
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Posted: 3/22/2012 9:29:51 AM

with workers dying

 

Yes, because no workers have every died at a factory in America!!!

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Posted: 3/22/2012 9:44:52 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:


I personally boycotted the NBA this year. I have not watched a single game. 
I usually go to a few a year (Wizards) when I am back home because I have a buddy who has season tickets.  I usually drop $200 a night on drinks when we go, but that is money that they will never get from me again.  


  outstanding Rick.  That is one league where the players for sure dont give a garbage about giving the fans their moneys worth. With NBA players you never know if they are going to be in the mood to play or just go thru the motions and collect their paycheck. Players cant shoot for garbage.  In the late 80's and early 90's the oddsmakers totals on games every night would almost always be over 212 with some games in the 230's and even 240's. Now the totals on games are almost always under 200 every night and that isnt because players today play better defense, its because they suck at shooting today.
So i applaud you for not giving the NBA any more of your hard earned money. The salaries all these athletes and owners are making is pure insanity. If i didnt gamble, i would probably never watch on TV another sporting event again, because watching other people play a sport doesnt really entertain me. I would rather be playing myself.  Thats why i dont understand why people spend most of their hard earned paychecks on these things  So many better ways to get entertained.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 9:45:51 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

I Tried to distance you from Obama a bit CD.  I know he is not making you proud. 

I am just trying to illustrate that we all want the same thing. We have ideological differences, but at the end of the day we do not want to be sold out to multinational corporations, huge oppressive govt, and would like the opportunity to let our own country grow as opposed to utilizing slave labor in other countries. 

I think we are about to get it, as a country,  I think that our eyes are opening.  

It is not the Republicans, or Democrats that we are against. 

It is the scourge of globalism, crooked deals in govt, and the influence that money plays in politics. 

I wish we could put a moratorium on every piece of legislation aside from rooting out corruption, crushing globalism, and clawing back our futures from the 1% in China, Europe, not to mention the ones in our own country that have sold us out. .  








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Posted: 3/22/2012 9:48:18 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

with workers dying

 

Yes, because no workers have every died at a factory in America!!!



yup here in America factories chain the doors and lock their workers in

Go take a very long walk off a short pier, you are a complete waste of oxygen. The best part of you was left on the operating room floor
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Posted: 3/22/2012 10:32:11 AM
rick, 'globalism' is 'free trade' 

This was all a result of neoliberal economic policy which focuses on building the global economy through 'free trade,' in the drive for ever increasing private sector profits. We're selling our soles in the name of growth. Scratch that. Politicians are selling out the fabric of society in the name of corporate greed and unbridled capitalism.

Our ideologies are conflicting. We do ultimately want the same things, but the 'free market' movement is what allowed this to happen. So you can't complain about jobs going overseas etc. and then ask for deregulation. It would just happen all over again if we did fix it.

You see what I'm saying?

Can anybody tell me why there isn't a HUGE tariff on imported goods from slave labour? Because that would fix the problem almost over night. 

We know Apple and many other companies make their products in these factories, if they had to pay the appropriate penalty, they would stop.

It's corporate fascism. It's corporatism. It's the ends of unbridled capitalism. We are fucked until we realize this and change the economic and political system itself. We need an ideological and philosophical shift away from capitalism. 
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Posted: 3/22/2012 11:41:13 AM
"free trade" and globalism is a bastardization of the free market model. Free trade programs always have pre-determined winners and losers.

We have seen a shift away from capitalism. Globalism and free trade is a shift toward authouritarian exploitation. Which is more in line with socialism than it is capitalism.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by KOAJ:



no one is stopping you.

i would like for jobs to be here as well but with a 35% corporate tax rate (small business pays corporate rates), new EPA regs, Obamacare, minimum wage laws, why would anyone hire in this country?

on minimum wage, some people's labor is worth $6 an hour to an employer. according to the government and those smart ivy league folks, we arent allowed to employ him at $6 an hour so we dont employ him and he sits home and gets subsidized for more than $6 an hour

makes sense doesn't it? minimum wage laws actually increase unemployment; just as union shops keep wages low be protecting bad workers

You do realize that Obama proposed to cut the corporate tax rate. You know why corporations were against it? Because he also proposed to eliminate tax breaks. Why do you think that is? No coporation is paying close to that tax rate.

Further name one other country that provides protections to the corporate shell (Board of Directors) without requiring a single employee to be in the US and does not mandate an import tax? Just one. Do you know why you can't?

If the corporate tax rate was so high, why wouldn't these companies move their headquarters overseas? Do you know why you can't answer that question?

Ever wonder why a Walgreen will buy an old drug store, bulldoze it, and build another in its place? Sure, it creates construction jobs, but why else would they do it?

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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:09:20 PM
It's corporate fascism. It's corporatism. It's the ends of unbridled capitalism.
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disco - there is s o much wrong with this statement i dont know where to begin

fascism is the marriage of government and big business. thats what we have in the US. we do not have capitalism. we do not have a free market because government dilutes our money making it possible for them to rob us through inflation

the closest thing to a free market is the drug trade and day laborers...cash only, both parties set rules, buyer and seller both happy after each transaction
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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:14:24 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

You do realize that Obama proposed to cut the corporate tax rate. You know why corporations were against it? Because he also proposed to eliminate tax breaks. Why do you think that is? No coporation is paying close to that tax rate.

Further name one other country that provides protections to the corporate shell (Board of Directors) without requiring a single employee to be in the US and does not mandate an import tax? Just one. Do you know why you can't?

If the corporate tax rate was so high, why wouldn't these companies move their headquarters overseas? Do you know why you can't answer that question?

Ever wonder why a Walgreen will buy an old drug store, bulldoze it, and build another in its place? Sure, it creates construction jobs, but why else would they do it?



how many companies have an army of accountants and lawyers to get those loopholes? i do my own taxes and pay an accountant to sign off and plug in some numbers. i dont have a congressman in my pocket. most small businesses fit into what i do

my effective rate the last 2-3 years is still higher than most countries. small businesses file as S corps or LLCs. those are corporations in the eyes of the law...not Coca Cola or GE...they pay a lot in taxes, plus they put in for their employees

if you want to give me an flat import tax, i'll trade you with an elimination of the income tax and we'll deal with it that way. i think capital will find its way back to the US pretty quickly
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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:19:17 PM

yup here in America factories chain the doors and lock their workers in

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Except that isn't what the story said at all, you silly, dishonest hack.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:24:28 PM
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how many companies have an army of accountants and lawyers to get those loopholes? i do my own taxes and pay an accountant to sign off and plug in some numbers. i dont have a congressman in my pocket. most small businesses fit into what i do

my effective rate the last 2-3 years is still higher than most countries. small businesses file as S corps or LLCs. those are corporations in the eyes of the law...not Coca Cola or GE...they pay a lot in taxes, plus they put in for their employees

if you want to give me an flat import tax, i'll trade you with an elimination of the income tax and we'll deal with it that way. i think capital will find its way back to the US pretty quickly


KOAJ, you are still comparing apples to oranges. We arent talking about small companies, we are talking about major corporations who are moving the jobs overseas, not small businesses like yours.

You keep saying how these big companies pay alot in taxes, thats is not true and if you spend 10 minutes researching that, you will find that the majority of fortune 500 companies paid zero taxes or very little, no where near the 35 percent a small business guy like you has to pay. They have everything stacked in their favor, due to the politicians creating all the loopholes for these fatcats.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:29:44 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by DiscoD69:

rick, 'globalism' is 'free trade' 

This was all a result of neoliberal economic policy which focuses on building the global economy through 'free trade,' in the drive for ever increasing private sector profits. We're selling our soles in the name of growth. Scratch that. Politicians are selling out the fabric of society in the name of corporate greed and unbridled capitalism.

Our ideologies are conflicting. We do ultimately want the same things, but the 'free market' movement is what allowed this to happen. So you can't complain about jobs going overseas etc. and then ask for deregulation. It would just happen all over again if we did fix it.

You see what I'm saying?

Can anybody tell me why there isn't a HUGE tariff on imported goods from slave labour? Because that would fix the problem almost over night. 

We know Apple and many other companies make their products in these factories, if they had to pay the appropriate penalty, they would stop.

It's corporate fascism. It's corporatism. It's the ends of unbridled capitalism. We are fucked until we realize this and change the economic and political system itself. We need an ideological and philosophical shift away from capitalism. 


Disco, I could fix 2 problems in the country overnight.
1. Slap the garbage out of these phony American companies with huge import taxes and if they have to raise their prices {which am sure they still wouldnt have to, do to having their garbage made for pennies} thats their problem they will have to deal with the consumer.  And if they go out of business, i dont care, because they arent contributing nothing to the country anyways.  Wont lose 1 minute of sleep knowing these fatcat companies went under.

2. second problem that i can fix over night, is in regards to pensions.
Completely stop all pension padding all together. Pensions can only be calculated with base pay, nothing else.
This would fix every pension system in the country overnight, thus causing the tax payers to not have to pay more.

2 problems that can without a doubt be fixed overnight
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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:32:44 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

You do realize that Obama proposed to cut the corporate tax rate. You know why corporations were against it? Because he also proposed to eliminate tax breaks. Why do you think that is? No coporation is paying close to that tax rate.

Further name one other country that provides protections to the corporate shell (Board of Directors) without requiring a single employee to be in the US and does not mandate an import tax? Just one. Do you know why you can't?

If the corporate tax rate was so high, why wouldn't these companies move their headquarters overseas? Do you know why you can't answer that question?

Ever wonder why a Walgreen will buy an old drug store, bulldoze it, and build another in its place? Sure, it creates construction jobs, but why else would they do it?



Oh my God, you just wrote everything i was thinking, but you can put into words much better then me.
Your post couldnt be more right.

I love the walgreens one. Hell i have seen walgreens close one of their new stores, move a block down the road and build a brand new one that looks exactly like the one they just left.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 12:35:51 PM

Disco, I could fix 2 problems in the country overnight.
1. Slap the garbage out of these phony American companies with huge import taxes and if they have to raise their prices {which am sure they still wouldnt have to, do to having their garbage made for pennies} thats their problem they will have to deal with the consumer.  And if they go out of business, i dont care, because they arent contributing nothing to the country anyways.
 

Yes! Because we all know tarriffs work out so well for the American consumer and the economy!!

And, and, and, Apple, which has overseas factories, and has created thousands of millionaires and thousands of jobs, hasn't helped America at all!!!

None!

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Posted: 3/22/2012 5:08:42 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

You do realize that Obama proposed to cut the corporate tax rate. You know why corporations were against it? Because he also proposed to eliminate tax breaks. Why do you think that is? No coporation is paying close to that tax rate.

Further name one other country that provides protections to the corporate shell (Board of Directors) without requiring a single employee to be in the US and does not mandate an import tax? Just one. Do you know why you can't?

If the corporate tax rate was so high, why wouldn't these companies move their headquarters overseas? Do you know why you can't answer that question?

Ever wonder why a Walgreen will buy an old drug store, bulldoze it, and build another in its place? Sure, it creates construction jobs, but why else would they do it?



corporations making it all about money?

That just makes too much sense...
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Posted: 3/22/2012 5:47:42 PM

Yes, There is a HUGE difference for the BIG CORPS to us small business owners. HUUUGE! 

 

Taxable income over     Not over      Tax rate

          $         0        $    50,000        15%
               50,000             75,000        25%
               75,000            100,000        34%
              100,000            335,000        39%
              335,000         10,000,000        34%
           10,000,000         15,000,000        35%
           15,000,000         18,333,333        38%
           18,333,333         ..........        35%

These are the federal tax rates for a corporation. These are the rates that my business is subject to if we make a profit and lets face it thats why a business exists. We do get some  tax breaks, credits or as we all like to say "loopholes" to reduce my profit to a lower bracket. And dont forget we also have to pay money to the state as well.

We can bonus out some taxable income to employees which we do in good years, I can bonus taxable income out to myself which I do in good years or buy capital equipment. Those are the 3 main and most straight forward options we have but I do get other write offs as well like the insurance I pay for my employees, 50% of travel/entertainment expenditures etc etc to name a few.

Mind you I am a small business so we are not talking millions of dollars here...very far from it.

The best and easiest and best ways for my biz to reduce what the taxes we have to pay on profits is to bonus out to everyone who works here and reinvest in the company by buying a piece of capital equipment which we finance because of the huge outlay of cash we would need to plunk that much out all at once. Both stimulate the economy, boost employee morale and help grow the business. But anyway you slice it, it is hard for a small business to accumulate cash because to be honest the goverment does take a decent chunk and a piece of equipment in my business costs around 150K for a medium sized machining center. And you cant just reduce your profit to zero or some very mimumum amount because when you want a bank to loan you money they want to see that you indeed make a profit.

So anyways, like the middle class, the small businesses are the ones who are usually stuck between a rock and a hard place. You try and save for bad times all the while improve your current situation.

My biggest girl right now about having to pay taxes is how and where the govt spends our money and how wasteful and bloated the goverment is. I wouldnt mind taxation as much (I would still girl probably) if it was spent wisely which I know is subject to interpretation.

Ok, I think I am rambling. Hope whatever point I was trying to make actually comes across to you guys.

 

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Posted: 3/22/2012 6:47:30 PM
As a small business  owner myself, I see where you are coming from, but I guess I dont mind paying taxes for things like infrastructure and military/police that makes an environment where my business can happen...

What I have not liked paying taxes for in the 21st century is huge amounts of blank check, reckless and senseless spending on "wars"...

War on terror
War on drugs
 
and if we got rid of loop holes we could trim off the bloated government by getting rid of the IRS...  really that simple...  You see why think Paul is the answer...

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Posted: 3/22/2012 6:52:32 PM

dont get me wrong dl, I dont mind pay taxes so to speak but I do mind as you mention the ways and wastefulness in which it is spent.

Speaking of spent, thats how I feel right now. Time to head home after another day.

Peace man.

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Posted: 3/22/2012 10:36:29 PM
Two comments...

1. RE Small vs. Big business: As pointed out, big corporations have the resources to skirt the rules and find the loopholes to milk the system and darn us over. So small businesses pay more in taxes along with the rest of ordinary working people. Just another reason small business are disappearing and quickly being replaced by the wallmarts of the world.

2. RE Free trade: rick, where do you think that phrase comes from? It's because part of the original intent was to remove trade barriers such as tariffs to 'free' up multinationals to be able to easily import goods using slave labour and whatever else they can do to maximize profits. It's a direct result of deregulating.
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Posted: 3/22/2012 11:57:26 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

You do realize that Obama proposed to cut the corporate tax rate. You know why corporations were against it? Because he also proposed to eliminate tax breaks. Why do you think that is? No coporation is paying close to that tax rate.

Further name one other country that provides protections to the corporate shell (Board of Directors) without requiring a single employee to be in the US and does not mandate an import tax? Just one. Do you know why you can't?

If the corporate tax rate was so high, why wouldn't these companies move their headquarters overseas? Do you know why you can't answer that question?

Ever wonder why a Walgreen will buy an old drug store, bulldoze it, and build another in its place? Sure, it creates construction jobs, but why else would they do it?



I'm seeing a pattern here, of you posting things as fact, that are wholly false. Many corps pay 35+% here in USA. But i guess you can do as usual and ignore anything that doesn't fit into your lefty talking points

Big, monopoly, corps are against tax reform, because the current system benefits them. Regulatory capture is when these monopolies use the regulatory body to wipe out competition. Many of you lefty ideologues confuse this as Capitalism.

I don't blame you for being confused
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Posted: 3/23/2012 12:37:21 AM
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I'm seeing a pattern here, of you posting things as fact, that are wholly false. Many corps pay 35+% here in USA. But i guess you can do as usual and ignore anything that doesn't fit into your lefty talking points

Big, monopoly, corps are against tax reform, because the current system benefits them. Regulatory capture is when these monopolies use the regulatory body to wipe out competition. Many of you lefty ideologues confuse this as Capitalism.

I don't blame you for being confused

So what is capitalism? Has there ever been capitalism? What are we supposed to measure it against?


Are you suggesting we should turn a blind eye to historical evidence and unquestionably rely on the unicorn paradigm?
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I'm seeing a pattern here, of you posting things as fact, that are wholly false. Many corps pay 35+% here in USA. But i guess you can do as usual and ignore anything that doesn't fit into your lefty talking points

Big, monopoly, corps are against tax reform, because the current system benefits them. Regulatory capture is when these monopolies use the regulatory body to wipe out competition. Many of you lefty ideologues confuse this as Capitalism.

I don't blame you for being confused

Lefty talking points

It must be the end of the month. That is when your bi-polar really kicks in.

You understand that what one is taxed and what one pays are mutually exclusive.

For example, I am taxed at 28%. I do not pay 28%. You are taxed at 12%. You do not pay 12%.

I will say it again. No corporation is paying 35% plus or their stockholders would sue the corporation for breach of fidicuary duty.

Hence, the problem with our current tax system. Those who can most afford to create the deductions and credits are also those who are reducing their actual tax payments (Exxon paying 0 sound familiar). Small and mid-size business owners end up paying the higher proportion as a result.

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