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Posted: 4/27/2012 9:34:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

If a cop, doctor, 911 dispatcher, us soldier, EMT, firefighter tell you to do something. You do it because it’s their job is to help us. If I go up to a cop and say I don’t think I should listen to the 911 dispatcher? The cop is going to look at you like your stupid.

I would have given him a pass for one time but now it is up to five times. I cannot ignore a pattern of considering himself a victim that many times. He was calm on the phone, so what. Remember he is known to snap at any moment.

Thats the dumbest thing ever.

One time when I was about 21 or so me, my little brother (19) and my buddy thats the same age as me went up the canyon to a local hang out for rock climbers and such. It was probably close to midnight and we were just sitting in my friends car talking. Actually we were frying if Im honest but it wasn't detectable.

All the sudden a patrol car comes up and shines his lights inside the car on full brights...we all know how that goes. He comes up to the window and asks what we were up to. We let him know that we were just up there talking and he said no problem and asked for permission to search the inside of the car. My friend gave permission.

 While he was searching the back seat he must have kicked out a coke can because we never even opened a door the whole time we were there.

Anyway, after he was finished searching, he told us to leave the canyon, which we originally agreed to do so. The officer then got in his car and proceeded up the canyon to turn around, while he was in the process, I had become a bit upset that he had told us to leave a place that we had every right to be at.

When he had turned around and came back to where we were at he slammed on the brakes and was pissed that we hadn't left yet. He asked why we hadn't and I replied that we were gonna stay because he had every right to be there. He became even more pissed off at that point and called for backup. He then told us that he had spotted the coke can on the ground by the car and said if we weren't on the way out of the canyon by the time his backup arrived then he would charge us all for littering and I think it was a $300 fine at the time.

My point is that all those people are human that you mentioned above and just because they say somthing doesn't mean that we should jump to oblige. I mean, he had no business telling us to leave a place that had no curfew. And although we did leave and come back a half hour or so later it was the principle that motivated me at the time.

If I were in the same position now I would do exactly the same thing. I respect authority to an extent. If I'm behaving myself, a cop should respect that. And there is no way the cop would have known we were frying....so don't even go there.

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Posted: 4/27/2012 9:46:24 PM
So a cop was a person to you and that's your argument. There are person in every profession. I have friends that are cops and Ive had my behind beat by cops. There are bad people and good people. Just because one was bad doesn't make all of them bad. I would advise anyone that calls 911 or is being questioned by the cops. Do what they tell you.

If I was in your situation I would have done the same because he was over stepping his authority. Even you yourself admit to ignoring authorities. Just like Zimmerman did. The only difference was that Zimmerman ignored a person that could have stopped him from killing someone. 
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Posted: 4/27/2012 9:48:55 PM
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So a cop was a person to you and that's your argument. There are person in every profession. I have friends that are cops and Ive had my behind beat by cops. There are bad people and good people. Just because one was bad doesn't make all of them bad. I would advise anyone that calls 911 or is being questioned by the cops. Do what they tell you.

If I was in your situation I would have done the same because he was over stepping his authority. Even you yourself admit to ignoring authorities. Just like Zimmerman did. The only difference was that Zimmerman ignored a person that could have stopped him from killing someone. 

Hindsight is 20/20. It was advice not an order.

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Posted: 4/27/2012 9:59:15 PM
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blowslit muddle facts with a warped perception of reality?

Who would have thought?
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blowslit muddle facts with a warped perception of reality?

Who would have thought?

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Posted: 4/28/2012 10:51:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

So a cop was a person to you and that's your argument. There are person in every profession. I have friends that are cops and Ive had my behind beat by cops. There are bad people and good people. Just because one was bad doesn't make all of them bad. I would advise anyone that calls 911 or is being questioned by the cops. Do what they tell you.

If I was in your situation I would have done the same because he was over stepping his authority. Even you yourself admit to ignoring authorities. Just like Zimmerman did. The only difference was that Zimmerman ignored a person that could have stopped him from killing someone. 

The point is....you don't just blindly jump to do everything a cop says simply because they have a badge as you had suggested. If they overstep authority they should be challenged on it.

 

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Posted: 4/28/2012 12:22:29 PM
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The point is....you don't just blindly jump to do everything a cop says simply because they have a badge as you had suggested. If they overstep authority they should be challenged on it.

 

Of course you should challenge it when they are over stepping their authority. It was an emergency dispatcher. Not a cop acting like a person. What kind of person would call 911 for help and question what they are telling you?
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Posted: 4/28/2012 3:35:06 PM
Florida

2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[21]

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.

(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:

(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

(5) As used in this section, the term:

(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
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