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Posted: 4/22/2012 2:12:41 PM
What makes you believe there even was a sucker punch? Because Z says so, lol?

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What makes you believe Martin was "doing nothing wrong"?

Because his family says so? LOL


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Posted: 4/22/2012 2:20:39 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

Just like this new statement where Zimmerman said he {martin} was banging his head against the pavement telling him he is going to die.

That isn't what he told the police right after it happened, according to the police report.

He did, however, always maintain that Martin attacked him, was on top of him, and punching him. The addition of the statement is intriguing. 



The police reports that are publicly available are partial and redacted. So you really can't say that for sure.

And, I believe Zimmerman told the police that his head was being banged on the pavement at the station after the incident. He was questioned for 6 hours that night.

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Posted: 4/22/2012 3:14:28 PM
I believe it was Zimmerman's father in a interview, who said Martin was banging George's head on the pavement and telling him he is going to die ...not Geroge Zimmerman the accused..
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Posted: 4/22/2012 3:23:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 14daroad:

What makes you believe there even was a sucker punch? Because Z says so, lol?

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What makes you believe Martin was "doing nothing wrong"?

Because his family says so? LOL


No, because by all accounts he wasn't. And that's part of the problem here because in Z's mind, it seems he had already convicted him of being up to no good or worse. Had he not, but was just suspicious & concerned about a guy he didn't recognize in the neighborhood, he could & should have just gone or drove straight up to him, identified himself as a watchman & asked whether he lived there or not since it was a gated community. Instead of immediately calling 911 & following/stalking Martin as if he were already a criminal. Or just to do what the 911 dispatcher asked & wait for the cops. Either way, no one ends up dead

Would be different had he seen T on someone's property peeping in house windows, but that wasn't the case.

 

 

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Posted: 4/22/2012 3:35:10 PM
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The police reports that are publicly available are partial and redacted. So you really can't say that for sure.

And, I believe Zimmerman told the police that his head was being banged on the pavement at the station after the incident. He was questioned for 6 hours that night.

I posted the report two weeks ago. Nothing except the names were redacted.

Zimmerman never stated Martin said he was going to kill him. Interesting detail to leave out.

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Posted: 4/22/2012 4:22:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cashin:

Following/stalking Martin as if he were already a criminal. Or just to do what the 911 dispatcher asked & wait for the cops. Either way, no one ends up dead
You know they are going to say chasing and following are two different things?

You know they are going to say I don't need you to do that and don't do that are two different things?

You know that their going to say that you shouldn't listen to a 911 emergency dispatcher?
I know what your thinking, crazy right 
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Posted: 4/22/2012 4:57:55 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

Money,Mellow and Cashin

Please stop replying to this Bowlslit guy

His screen name should be bullshit or shitbowl

He clearly  suffers from grandiosity, which refers to an unrealistic sense of superiority, a sustained view of oneself as better than others.

Bowlslit exaggerates capacity in an unrealistic way
This narcissist believes that he knows what happened on 26-Feb-2012 and keeps on making assumptions.


Here is a short list of his assumptions
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There is nothing to contradict Zimmermans story, which is in essence my story.

The second he crossed the line to slam his head into the pavement repeatedly is how you and I see things very differently. And I know that I am right and you're not right.

Based on that shoddy affidavit there should be no trial and this will get uglier than we've ever imagined.

Nothing on the 911 call contradicts his account. Nothing.


Wow dude. Im in awe of your intellectual prowess. You took my screen name bowlslit and turned it into what....shitbowl or bullshit. Wow....I hope that didn't take your whole daily alotment of brain cells to accomplish that feat.

I'm totally amazed. Shock and awe!!! whew!

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Posted: 4/22/2012 5:05:37 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cashin:

No, because by all accounts he wasn't. And that's part of the problem here because in Z's mind, it seems he had already convicted him of being up to no good or worse. Had he not, but was just suspicious & concerned about a guy he didn't recognize in the neighborhood, he could & should have just gone or drove straight up to him, identified himself as a watchman & asked whether he lived there or not since it was a gated community. Instead of immediately calling 911 & following/stalking Martin as if he were already a criminal. Or just to do what the 911 dispatcher asked & wait for the cops. Either way, no one ends up dead

Would be different had he seen T on someone's property peeping in house windows, but that wasn't the case.

 

 

I agree with that cashin. But the lesson to be learned is you can't just start swinging on someone and ask questions later. Trayvon had some ownership here too.

Trayvon should have known that his presence in an unfamiliar gated community may raise an eyebrow or two. And you also don't know that he was not up to no good either. He could have been getting real familiar with the neighborhood. We don't know. I can't wait until the trial for Zimmerman to have to expound on what made him think he was up to no good.

You have to think how frustrated Zimmerman may have been trying to protect his neighborhood and having some burglars get away.

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Posted: 4/22/2012 6:05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

You know they are going to say chasing and following are two different things?

You know they are going to say I don't need you to do that and don't do that are two different things?

You know that their going to say that you shouldn't listen to a 911 emergency dispatcher?
I know what your thinking, crazy right 

Exactly, Money.

 

They can split hairs better than a hair transplant specialist.

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Posted: 4/22/2012 6:26:48 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

I agree with that cashin. But the lesson to be learned is you can't just start swinging on someone and ask questions later. Trayvon had some ownership here too.

Trayvon should have known that his presence in an unfamiliar gated community may raise an eyebrow or two. And you also don't know that he was not up to no good either. He could have been getting real familiar with the neighborhood. We don't know. I can't wait until the trial for Zimmerman to have to expound on what made him think he was up to no good.

You have to think how frustrated Zimmerman may have been trying to protect his neighborhood and having some burglars get away.

Again, we don't have a clue as to how the fight started (only Z's word) & the girlfriends account of their call & what she says she heard them say to each other before the line went dead, is different from what we've heard of Z's version.

If Z just goes straight up to him in a matter of fact way, identifies himself & asks if he lives there, then it plays out from there & maybe there's some attitude &/or words, but doubt very seriously if there's even a fight much less a killing. If T runs, then it's a different story, but even then Z is not a cop or even a security guard & would still have no business following or chasing him. His only job  would be to call 911 or police & report it. And if he had already called 911, to wait for the cops.

Doesn't matter what T "could" have been doing or how frustrated Z might have been. And from all we've heard, Martin was only walking slowly, looking up at houses & maybe walked between the buildings to get out of the rain...all pretty normal stuff. That said, I'm not saying I can't see where Z might be suspicious..I can, but he obviously already was convinced T was a bad guy "up to no good" & couldn't have handled it worse.

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Posted: 4/22/2012 8:03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

You know they are going to say chasing and following are two different things?

You know they are going to say I don't need you to do that and don't do that are two different things?

You know that their going to say that you shouldn't listen to a 911 emergency dispatcher?
I know what your thinking, crazy right 

Of course 

Would be interesting to know if Martin really did go up to Z's vehicle 1st & ask him if he was following him (before the fight confrontation) as T's father said Serino told him originally that Z had said. Seems to be some confusion there with all the focus on the fight & shooting. Was said that Z said no, then rolled up the window & then they met up later with the girlfriends acct of what was said markedly different from Z's & also making it seem as though it was Z that came up to Martin (unless T was following Z while talking to the gf) not the other way around.

Still alot we don't know & some things we probably never will - 

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Posted: 4/22/2012 10:25:51 PM

Under Flordia law nothing matters except.. what was in Zimmermans mind at the time he felt he needed to use deadly force in self defense...

Flordia :  Justifiable Use Of Force

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

I doesn't matter who followed who ,who confronted who ,who said what or what the friend said she heard ..if Zimmerman is the only one to tell how he felt at the time he drew and shot Martin ( the DA will have to prove differently)...in fact the voice of a person yelling and the one screaming could have been ( both) Martin at one point in time of the struggle and Zimmerman at another point in the struggle ... - Trayvons mother "my son's" -    -Zimmermans father "my son's"- ...

Nothing... that I have seen or heard  (as far as evidence) at the exact point in time ,.when Zimmerman fired ..proves he didn't feel imminent great bodily harm to himself....and by the State of Florida Law that's what matters ..........the rest of the stuff in this case will only prove that ..they both acted stupidly ...imo

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Posted: 4/23/2012 3:20:17 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

Under Flordia law nothing matters except.. what was in Zimmermans mind at the time he felt he needed to use deadly force in self defense...

Flordia :  Justifiable Use Of Force

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

I doesn't matter who followed who ,who confronted who ,who said what or what the friend said she heard ..if Zimmerman is the only one to tell how he felt at the time he drew and shot Martin ( the DA will have to prove differently)...in fact the voice of a person yelling and the one screaming could have been ( both) Martin at one point in time of the struggle and Zimmerman at another point in the struggle ... - Trayvons mother "my son's" -    -Zimmermans father "my son's"- ...

Nothing... that I have seen or heard  (as far as evidence) at the exact point in time ,.when Zimmerman fired ..proves he didn't feel imminent great bodily harm to himself....and by the State of Florida Law that's what matters ..........the rest of the stuff in this case will only prove that ..they both acted stupidly ...imo

Agree Slim, this is what I've been trying to say all along. I can't believe that concept is so difficult for people to grasp for some people.

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Posted: 4/23/2012 9:10:01 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cashin:

No, because by all accounts he wasn't. And that's part of the problem here because in Z's mind, it seems he had already convicted him of being up to no good or worse. Had he not, but was just suspicious & concerned about a guy he didn't recognize in the neighborhood, he could & should have just gone or drove straight up to him, identified himself as a watchman & asked whether he lived there or not since it was a gated community. Instead of immediately calling 911 & following/stalking Martin as if he were already a criminal. Or just to do what the 911 dispatcher asked & wait for the cops. Either way, no one ends up dead

Would be different had he seen T on someone's property peeping in house windows, but that wasn't the case.

By which "accounts" cashin? Because the only available information is coming from Martin's family. Zimmerman called the police saying Martin was acting suspiciously. In fact, Martin walked through a cut through going in the opposite direction of where he was staying, in heavy rain.

So by all accounts, he certainly wasn't acting normally.

I find your idea that Zimmerman should rush up to a stranger in the dark and ask him what he is doing bizarrre. You have criticized Zimmerman for "confronting" Martin and in the next sentece say he should have waited for police.

I can't imagine a circumstance where Zimmerman approaching Martin, and again he was between two rows of townhouses not walking down the street, would have turned out well. Especially since Zimmerman was carrying.

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Posted: 4/23/2012 9:54:49 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

I posted the report two weeks ago. Nothing except the names were redacted.

Zimmerman never stated Martin said he was going to kill him. Interesting detail to leave out.

djbrow,

the police reports that were released are not full reports.

Here is the link. Note the big bold PARTIAL REPORT ONLY at the top.

 

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