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Posted: 3/11/2012 2:58:42 AM
DeHoyos: I notice the 89-0 posts you make. His first 43 fights were all in Mexico. Out of those 43, you became champions? How many HOF fighters did he go up against? His level of opposition had an extreme amount of tomato cans. You quoted his chin which I agree was iron. He has a draw (losing on one card) to Chavez in which many thought he lost the fight. So for you to rag on Mayweather (I do because he can fight and beat better fighters than he does) about Castillo, but you believe that Chavez fought a win or a draw against Pernell?
Name HOF fighters or almost HOF fighters... he fought Oscar and got shredded (twice). Kostya he lost to but I understand he was past his prime. I won't get in to the Meldrick Taylor issue. If you rate his level of competition, it is severely sub-par early, and even at best mid-to-late career. Roger Mayweather was solid, but name several HOF to great fighters up to his 89-0-1 streak?
Yes, it is a great streak just to accomplish, but not outstanding unless the circumstances were outstanding.
You seem to be much more knowledgeable regarding Chavez then me (I'm not saying this sarcastic), so I as you to tell me was his 89-0-1 against weak competition?
Honestly, you think the Pernell fight was a draw (or he won)?
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Posted: 3/11/2012 3:00:33 AM
The draw was Whitaker. Also, Out of 43-0, which of his opponents became champions? Sorry for typos, I have 3 forums at once going. My BAD!
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Posted: 3/11/2012 10:34:45 AM
He lost the Sweet Pea fight I was there...but Julio never bragged about being undefeated or said **** like " 41 up 41 down." He was 87-0 before he fought Whitaker...Floyd was only 20 fights into his career when he fought Castillo and lost...And if Chavez's sparring partner (Castillo) beat Floyd we know what would have happened if he fought JC.

World champions whom Chávez defeated include Jose Luis Ramírez, Rafael Limón, Rocky Lockridge, Meldrick Taylor, Roger Mayweather, Lonnie Smith, Sammy Fuentes, Héctor "Macho" Camacho, Juan Laporte, Edwin Rosario, Greg Haugen, Tony López, Giovanni Parisi, Joey Gamache, and Frankie Randall He was held to a draw by two others: Pernell Whitaker and Miguel Ángel González.

thats 16 world champions pal...he also has...
six world titles in three weight divisions...and

He holds records for most successful consecutive defenses of world titles (27), most title fights (37), most title-fight victories (31), and he is tied with Joe Louis for most title defenses won by knockout (21).








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Posted: 3/11/2012 10:42:14 AM
I find it amazing that in the 300 years of boxing history, this little mexican holds records like, the longest undefeated streak in boxing history, 13 years. But you wont give him his credit cuz he fought in Mexico... give me a break...I dont care if you fought in Alaska,the hardest part is keeping your belt,everyone knows this(31 world title victories)...And this guy did it better that anyone has for 300 years....


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Posted: 3/11/2012 10:55:07 AM
He was ranked #50 on Ring Magazine's list of "100 greatest punchers of all time". As an in-fighter or swarmer, Julio César Chávez was renowned specially for his devastating left hook and his ability to take a punch due his extremly strong chin. Trainer Angelo Dundee stated that "Chávez had the strongest chin in boxing history." In 2002, The Ring ranked Chávez as the 18th greatest fighter of the last 80 years.

Oh but wait, he fought in his home country, growin up in a railway car...DISQUALIFIED!!!! LMFAO



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Posted: 3/11/2012 11:19:08 AM
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Posted: 3/11/2012 2:35:29 PM
I know his left hook as it won me money betting fights and unders. I wasn't knocking the guy down, I'm very well versed at boxing history. I don't claim to know it all, so I just brought up a few questions to someone who seems to specialize in an area. Thanks for the facts. Also, I did say it was a great streak and record. His left "liver" shot was a beast, and many fighters tried to copy his style of getting in and destructing.
He just had a knack for it, like other fighters do fighting tall (at distance). He never had the speed for that so he made every punch count. I was a huge Chavez fan and glad to see him last night in CA at the Salido-Lopez Rematch!!! That is why I thought of him.
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Posted: 3/12/2012 2:20:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DeHoyos:

He lost the Sweet Pea fight I was there...but Julio never bragged about being undefeated or said **** like " 41 up 41 down." He was 87-0 before he fought Whitaker...Floyd was only 20 fights into his career when he fought Castillo and lost...And if Chavez's sparring partner (Castillo) beat Floyd we know what would have happened if he fought JC.

World champions whom Chávez defeated include Jose Luis Ramírez, Rafael Limón, Rocky Lockridge, Meldrick Taylor, Roger Mayweather, Lonnie Smith, Sammy Fuentes, Héctor "Macho" Camacho, Juan Laporte, Edwin Rosario, Greg Haugen, Tony López, Giovanni Parisi, Joey Gamache, and Frankie Randall He was held to a draw by two others: Pernell Whitaker and Miguel Ángel González.

thats 16 world champions pal...he also has...
six world titles in three weight divisions...and

He holds records for most successful consecutive defenses of world titles (27), most title fights (37), most title-fight victories (31), and he is tied with Joe Louis for most title defenses won by knockout (21).








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Posted: 3/12/2012 3:10:16 AM
I have the highest respect for any athlete committed to his very best. I know how hard boxing is so once you've lived it you have an even greater respect. (Similar to golf, as pros make it look easy, but it is maybe the most mental sport as you have to not only be technical, but focused and centered). Chavez was always 100% of what he had in training and the ring. So I'm not just blowing smoke...
I will say this, and this is no knock off for Chavez. A former training camp member said the Chavez use to train harder than anyone (or as hard as) and at higher altitudes than any other Mexican fighter he had seen. Then one day he went so high in the mountains with a friend in another camp to a more recent fighter (this was in 2001), and said they were nearly triple the height Chavez use train at, and when they arrived the fighter was training full speed and everyone else was winded and using oxygen masks to just stand and watch. The guy assumed the fighter just started because he was training so hard, and then they added that he take a break because he was approaching the 150th minute of his workout. That fighter's name... Juan Manuel Marquez!!!!
BTW: JMM on average trained 1.5 miles above sea level. It's roughly 2400 meters.
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Posted: 3/13/2012 6:48:54 PM
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Posted: 3/17/2012 1:35:21 AM
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Posted: 3/19/2012 5:59:21 AM
Roberto Duran 72-1 (Almost 80% KO percentage) just before Leonard rematch. He fought in four of the seven continents and nine countries.
Aside from Chavez's outstanding record, I feel Duran is equally or close using the context of his statistics.
Sugar Ray Robinson's record to me is way above any boxing stat which I will detail, first I will not Joe Louis.
Louis made 25 defenses of his heavyweight title from 1937 to 1948, and was a world champion for 11 years and 10 months. Both are still records in the heavyweight division, the former in any division. He knocked out 23 opponents in 27 title fights, including 5 world champions.

Back to THE GREATEST... SUGAR!
Let's start very early. Robinson was 85–0 as an amateur with 69 of those victories coming by way of knockout, 40 in the first round.
He turned professional in 1940 at the age of 19 and by 1951 had a professional record of 128–1–2 with 84 knockouts.
JCC had a HOF career and the 89-0 streak. By no means am I taking that away or belittle the man, but Robinson had a 91 win streak. Also, this period was stacked with talent.

NOW WE GET TO THE BEST PART... During that 91 streak ( including losing to Turpin and winning the rematch) and a few fights after (96 Total)...BRACE YOURSELF:
13 BOUTS DURING THAT TIME PERIOD WERE (AND NOW) FIGHTS AGAINST HALL OF FAME FIGHTERS (IT WAS 6 FIGHTERS AS HE FOUGHT MOST SEVERAL TIMES).
Here is a fighter that lost to LaMotta (considered a top 50 pound-for-pound on 99% of lists), his streak was ended by Randy Turpin (HOF), only to rematch him without any fights before, and 2 months later he stopped Turpin in the 10th round. His next two fights were Olson (he KO'd in their previous bout and Graziano (also HOF fighters) was stopped in round three. So that is 3 HOF opponents consecutively and 3 consecutive wins.
If a boxer's fights History made Ripley's Believe or Not, you would have to say Sugar Ray Robinson's was the ultimate fiction. I will add a final piece of information regarding his losses. He also came back to defeat every opponent that had defeated him. Back to Duran... "No Mas"!!!
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Posted: 3/19/2012 6:43:40 AM
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Posted: 3/22/2012 6:02:10 PM
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Posted: 3/24/2012 2:14:03 AM
The wrong link you added had me confused..LOL. Thought you lose your marbles for a second. The video link is removed, so again I can't get your message.
If you find the right link that is available, post it.

Not to get into a boxing battle, but regarding Mayweather not being undefeated is somewhat out of bounds. If Castillo destroyed him, or something of that nature, I would consider it. That was not the case. Also, unlike many would think, this was a scenario that if the judges were being paid as to force a rematch, it would have been the other way. They would have had Castillo win, forcing Mayweather to fight and possibly make a trilogy. Not the case. The fight was awarded to Floyd, and he chose to rematch Castillo after his shoulder healed!
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Posted: 3/27/2012 5:59:20 PM
Bull****.....Arum promised Castillo a rematch right after the robbery occurred, he didnt choose ****!............May-or-May-notWeather wins on points the majority of the time against world class competition.....Castillo beat him on points,power punches,and aggression....Thats what Chavez did to Roger the "Mexican Assassin"...Castillo was Chavez's sparring partner..Chavez would of destroyed all the Mayweathers....Why would the judges for top rank want Floyd to take a loss???? That makes no sense...they obviously wanted Floyd to win.......


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Posted: 3/27/2012 6:02:32 PM
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Posted: 3/27/2012 6:08:58 PM
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hold up here go the original......


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Posted: 3/30/2012 3:13:05 AM
There is NO WAY in hell he won that Whitaker fight.  He lost it, and it wasnt close.
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Posted: 3/30/2012 3:14:58 AM
Throw out the fights vs Oscar, JCC was shot by that point.  The only guy to beat him in his absolute prime was Whitaker, and he got absolutely shafted.  Almost as bad as Dave Tiberi vs James Toney. That, and Lennox Lewis-Holyfield I are still the 2 worst decisions I've ever seen.  
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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:09:43 PM
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Posted: 4/1/2012 11:35:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rzagza:

Throw out the fights vs Oscar, JCC was shot by that point.  The only guy to beat him in his absolute prime was Whitaker, and he got absolutely shafted.  Almost as bad as Dave Tiberi vs James Toney. That, and Lennox Lewis-Holyfield I are still the 2 worst decisions I've ever seen.  


Chavez already had 90 fights under his belt when he fought Whitaker......You call that his prime????
He was in his prime when he fought Taylor.....

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Posted: 4/2/2012 1:44:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by DeHoyos:

He lost the Sweet Pea fight I was there...but Julio never bragged about being undefeated or said **** like " 41 up 41 down." He was 87-0 before he fought Whitaker...Floyd was only 20 fights into his career when he fought Castillo and lost...And if Chavez's sparring partner (Castillo) beat Floyd we know what would have happened if he fought JC.

World champions whom Chávez defeated include Jose Luis Ramírez, Rafael Limón, Rocky Lockridge, Meldrick Taylor, Roger Mayweather, Lonnie Smith, Sammy Fuentes, Héctor "Macho" Camacho, Juan Laporte, Edwin Rosario, Greg Haugen, Tony López, Giovanni Parisi, Joey Gamache, and Frankie Randall He was held to a draw by two others: Pernell Whitaker and Miguel Ángel González.

thats 16 world champions pal...he also has...
six world titles in three weight divisions...and

He holds records for most successful consecutive defenses of world titles (27), most title fights (37), most title-fight victories (31), and he is tied with Joe Louis for most title defenses won by knockout (21).












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