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Posted: 11/8/2012 8:23:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

Actually, it was the youth vote that propelled Obama. And it is always about percentages.

299,398,484 total population
225,746,457 total population over 18 years
122,394,724 total number of voters
54% of population voted.

Between 22 and 24 million young Americans ages 18–29 voted, resulting in an estimated youth voter turnout (the percentage of eligible voters who actually cast a vote) of between 49.3 and 54.5 percent.

This is an increase of 1 to 6 percentage points over the estimated youth turnout in 2004, and an increase of between 8 and 13 percentage points over the turnout in the 2000 election. The all-time highest youth turnout was 55.4 percent in 1972, the first year that 18-year-olds could vote in a presidential election.

Sixty-six percent of young voters cast their ballot for Barack Obama, the largest-ever showing for a presidential candidate in this age group.

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http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/… http://thetartan.org/2008/11/10/news/ele… & CNN.com

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Posted: 11/9/2012 1:55:44 AM
good info, DJBrow... i was hoping that someone would post information about how the 18-30 vote was divided... because as i travel the world, the people who's fanaticism towards Obama strikes me the most is the people in this age range...

i think it's time to raise the voting age to 31... the young people of this country are some of the stupidest human beings to ever walk the earth...

pretty sure cavemen made more informed decisions than these friggin losers!
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Posted: 11/9/2012 2:00:57 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:

it is becoming very tiring for me to constantly be the smartest man in every thread. The pressure builds up over time. 

All that aside

Again -- why even argue the % vs the actual numbers? who cares. it is what it is and is not going to change. And is a senseless argument.

The bigger question is why do 95% of blacks (regardless of what the absolute # the 95% adds up to be) always vote for the democrat? And more importantly what will the repubs do to try to narrow the gap? Do not give me the 4 year and people are going to hate the dems crap. Blacks, Hispanics, and youth vote democrat. It is what it is. So what are the repubs going to do to narrow this gap????



i already told you what they are going to do... let the Democrats hang themselves over the next 4 years... then put a Hispanic Republican President in the White House...

easy breezy beautiful!... i mean how hard can it be?  you already pointed out how idiotic the Democrats are... thinking they are ever the smartest person in any room, despite the fact that they have never made it to page 2 of any book, or put forth even miniscule pride or effort in their education...

real easy to think you're a genius when you have never explored the nearest corner of your own brain...
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Posted: 11/9/2012 2:27:34 AM
yes, it's the changing demographics over the last few years

in the last 6 Presidential elections, the Repubs have won the popular vote how many times?

If it was the demographics then the popular vote count would have flipped

and the hispanic republican will not make it out of thr primaries
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Posted: 11/9/2012 8:07:25 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:




i already told you what they are going to do... let the Democrats hang themselves over the next 4 years... then put a Hispanic Republican President in the White House...

easy breezy beautiful!... i mean how hard can it be?  you already pointed out how idiotic the Democrats are... thinking they are ever the smartest person in any room, despite the fact that they have never made it to page 2 of any book, or put forth even miniscule pride or effort in their education...

real easy to think you're a genius when you have never explored the nearest corner of your own brain...

Apocal - Relax man. My smartest man comment was obviously tongue in cheek. 

I know you already stated your opinion on the race issue. I just do not happen to fully buy it. Here is the approximate break down of %'s of votes for Obama from growing categories of voters.

Hispanic = 75%
Young = 66%
Black = 95%
Women = 55%
Asian / Pacific Islanders = 73%

88% of voters for Romney were white compared to about 56% for Obama. 

And this occurred after the "accomplishments of Obama of the past four years mind you. And it is not like this is all of a sudden a new thing. And lets not forget that these categories are only going to make up more and more of our population in the future.

Discount this theory all you want but these numbers are real and have to be worrisome. And read around various websites. This is not a unique theory that I am inventing there are many many people in the media who are saying the same thing. Of course it does not mean that it is automatically correct but the point is that it is not that far fetched of a theory.


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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:04:50 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

it is one thing to speculate... but speculate reasonably... do you really believe THAT is why?  and besides, why did they just SUDDENLY want to take a more active role in 2008 and 2012?  social media is not something that has popped up in the last decade...

 

how exactly do you make it through the world, if you are considering EVERY single possible reason for every scenario, even the ones that are miniscule beyond description, as if they are just as likely as the obvious reason...

 

PARSIMONY, folks!  look into it...

It's funny how you think others are only considering the "miniscule reason" yet you are looking at one angle. We aren't the ones that screaming "White votes don't count anymore" or something in that nature. Your solution is to put a Hispanic Republican on the ticket and coast to the victory? Now, that's nonsense!!

Instead of finding ways to chip away the difference, you are more into proving the blacks are "racists" or calling the youths stupid. If they were, what do that says about the Republicans, the data was out there FOR YEARS. Wait, you just want to wait for the Democrats to hang themselves, that's progressive.

 

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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:32:35 AM
i started this post about we have learned about this election, the one topic about black america got the most attention by a land slide.As i mention if you have not spent any time in the black commuity you have no room to give your view.Blacks will always take another blacks side wright or wrong in about 98% of the cases.Look at the OJ trial, guilty of not he was getting off with that jury.Most of black america has the attitude they are special and they are owed.They have been playing the slavery card for the last 50 years.To there credit it has worked they have half of america felling sorry for them.One step further you never here the same bs when it come to other cutlures.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:38:14 AM
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Originally Posted by cts99:

i started this post about we have learned about this election, the one topic about black america got the most attention by a land slide.As i mention if you have not spent any time in the black commuity you have no room to give your view.Blacks will always take another blacks side wright or wrong in about 98% of the cases.Look at the OJ trial, guilty of not he was getting off with that jury.Most of black america has the attitude they are special and they are owed.They have been playing the slavery card for the last 50 years.To there credit it has worked they have half of america felling sorry for them.One step further you never here the same bs when it come to other cutlures.

Just another shining example that racists are intellectually challenged.

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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:41:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

good info, DJBrow... i was hoping that someone would post information about how the 18-30 vote was divided... because as i travel the world, the people who's fanaticism towards Obama strikes me the most is the people in this age range...

i think it's time to raise the voting age to 31... the young people of this country are some of the stupidest human beings to ever walk the earth...

pretty sure cavemen made more informed decisions than these friggin losers!

Why stop there? You have alrady talked about blacks. Now its the young people. We know women tend to vote Democrat and you have made your comments known about Hispanics. Perhaps we can go back to the days of affluent white property owners voting whilst all other citizens count for 2/3 for purposes of representation.

As an aside, the only difference between you and the poster in number 132 is you use prettier words.

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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:45:06 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cts99:

i started this post about we have learned about this election, the one topic about black america got the most attention by a land slide.As i mention if you have not spent any time in the black commuity you have no room to give your view.Blacks will always take another blacks side wright or wrong in about 98% of the cases.Look at the OJ trial, guilty of not he was getting off with that jury.Most of black america has the attitude they are special and they are owed.They have been playing the slavery card for the last 50 years.To there credit it has worked they have half of america felling sorry for them.One step further you never here the same bs when it come to other cutlures.


ok fine This is becoming circular and annoying.

So more came out and voted. True. But why have they always voted about 95% democrat (in previous elections) and why do latinos, asians, women, youth all vote predominately democrat. There are probably hundreds of reasons so it is somewhat of an open question.

The bigger question is will this change? As these groups will continue to compromise a greater % of the US population and thus the voting population in the future this is potentially a very serious issue. How will the republicans work try to gain more appeal from these populations?

This is the real question. Who cares about the amount of time you spend with blacks and your opinion on them? And your opinion that others views are worthless? That is irrelevant

What matters is how will this change?

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Posted: 11/9/2012 11:33:11 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:



ok fine This is becoming circular and annoying.

So more came out and voted. True. But why have they always voted about 95% democrat (in previous elections) and why do latinos, asians, women, youth all vote predominately democrat. There are probably hundreds of reasons so it is somewhat of an open question.
The bigger question is will this change? As these groups will continue to compromise a greater % of the US population and thus the voting population in the future this is potentially a very serious issue. How will the republicans work try to gain more appeal from these populations?

This is the real question. Who cares about the amount of time you spend with blacks and your opinion on them? And your opinion that others views are worthless? That is irrelevant

What matters is how will this change?

It does not matter to you what the truth is.in your heart the math or facts do not matter.You closed minded like most of america.By the way when is the last time you spent some time in the inner city or had some blacks over for dinner and drinks and heard what there view on society.Well my views are not important why are you in the topic i started.Your typical shoot from the hip type guy with yours views,but you have no bullets.Wake up pal, the rest of world thinks the way you do. How are they doing
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Posted: 11/9/2012 11:43:16 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

good info, DJBrow... i was hoping that someone would post information about how the 18-30 vote was divided... because as i travel the world, the people who's fanaticism towards Obama strikes me the most is the people in this age range...

i think it's time to raise the voting age to 31... the young people of this country are some of the stupidest human beings to ever walk the earth...

pretty sure cavemen made more informed decisions than these friggin losers!


um,,,what about all the greedy, and brainwashed Baby Boomers? We fund the government with income taxes, and you want the biggest voting bloc to be greedy old person that don't even work, let alone chip in their fair share, voting on what to do with all of the young, working age folks future/and dollars.

your knot the brightest tool in d shed now r u?
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Posted: 11/9/2012 12:14:57 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cts99:

It does not matter to you what the truth is.in your heart the math or facts do not matter.You closed minded like most of america.By the way when is the last time you spent some time in the inner city or had some blacks over for dinner and drinks and heard what there view on society.Well my views are not important why are you in the topic i started.Your typical shoot from the hip type guy with yours views,but you have no bullets.Wake up pal, the rest of world thinks the way you do. How are they doing


ok. you are completely wrong and focusing on nonsense. I am not denying that more blacks voted this time around. I never once argued against that.  But why is there such a disparity for all of the other "non-white groups". That is the important question at hand. Not your silly views.

And what is the truth that you are talking about? That blacks vote for democrats or that blacks trust other blacks more? Well no garbage sherlock. Tell us something we don't know. that is not news. 

The math and facts are that matter are

Hispanic = 75%
Young = 66%
Black = 95%
Women = 55%
Asian / Pacific Islanders = 73%

I do not even know what your point is.

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Posted: 11/9/2012 2:59:13 PM
Mattbrot,

I don't think anyone knows what cts' point is, even himself. I think he just wants people to agree with whatever type of word vomit he happens to type out and he views you as an idiot if you have a differing opinion.

I think he just wants someone to validate him for raising a family and working for a long period of time. I have. I problem doing this except for his outrageous claim of making over $250k since the 80's, while struggling so mightily with typing out a coherent sentence.

Debating with cts is like debating with a lamp. You can use all the facts and evidence you want, it still won't resonate with him. But even worse than a lamp, he will just insult you as being ignorant.....while continually brutalizing the English language.

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Oh.....and how dare you post in his thread that is put on a public forum for all to contribute. How dare you!!!!!
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Posted: 11/9/2012 4:38:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:



ok. you are completely wrong and focusing on nonsense. I am not denying that more blacks voted this time around. I never once argued against that.  But why is there such a disparity for all of the other "non-white groups". That is the important question at hand. Not your silly views.

And what is the truth that you are talking about? That blacks vote for democrats or that blacks trust other blacks more? Well no garbage sherlock. Tell us something we don't know. that is not news. 

The math and facts are that matter are

Hispanic = 75%
Young = 66%
Black = 95%
Women = 55%
Asian / Pacific Islanders = 73%

I do not even know what your point is.



Matt, Blacks are GOING to have BLACKS back no matter what but.....lets see if that happens if the GOP nominates a black on their ticket next election?

But MUCH MORE importantly, the mathmatical demographics you state create much more of an electional hurdle for the GOP


What is the GOP to do about it? Can it save the USA from Rome's apocalypse?  Do the inmates truly run the asylum based on ethnicity alone?


We are only 3 days into this quagmire, and I sense the world's humanity is pretty disappointed already. See Sandy's wrath We still appear extremely dysfunctional  Gen Petreaus resigning today, who wants to go down with this BOZO? Just sayin....
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Posted: 11/9/2012 5:02:25 PM
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ok. you are completely wrong and focusing on nonsense. I am not denying that more blacks voted this time around. I never once argued against that.  But why is there such a disparity for all of the other "non-white groups". That is the important question at hand. Not your silly views.

And what is the truth that you are talking about? That blacks vote for democrats or that blacks trust other blacks more? Well no garbage sherlock. Tell us something we don't know. that is not news. 

The math and facts are that matter are

Hispanic = 75%
Young = 66%
Black = 95%
Women = 55%
Asian / Pacific Islanders = 73%

I do not even know what your point is.


People who complain mainly/solely on the minority issue just are hypocrites at best. Take PA for example, Obama carried the state both times but do people even know they are MUCH more red now in terms of districts? It's because the Republican majority re-drew the maps to minimize the chance for Democrats which in effect a few less minority representives. They even did it in Texas while it's controlled by Republicans anyway. Unless the same people were just as pissed when it happened, why cry over the spilled milk?

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QUOTE Originally Posted by Crusher13:



Matt, Blacks are GOING to have BLACKS back no matter what but.....lets see if that happens if the GOP nominates a black on their ticket next election?

But MUCH MORE importantly, the mathmatical demographics you state create much more of an electional hurdle for the GOP


What is the GOP to do about it? Can it save the USA from Rome's apocalypse?  Do the inmates truly run the asylum based on ethnicity alone?


We are only 3 days into this quagmire, and I sense the world's humanity is pretty disappointed already. See Sandy's wrath We still appear extremely dysfunctional  Gen Petreaus resigning today, who wants to go down with this BOZO? Just sayin....
Black people have far more practice voting for white people, than whites have practice voting for any minority. I bet you have never voted for a black person. And maybe the 93% of blacks that voted for President Obama, voted for him, for the same reasons you didn't vote for him.
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Percentages tell us that black turnout to vote since 2000 has been about the same,but  in 2008 it jumped 4.9% points over 2004 and 2012 is somewhere 3.5 points over 2004 number all the data is not in on 2012 a close estimate.All of sudden 1 group got very patriotic. I will bet in 2016 if two white candidates run that pct will go back down.When you do the math do the math.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by cts99:

Percentages tell us that black turnout to vote since 2000 has been about the same,but  in 2008 it jumped 4.9% points over 2004 and 2012 is somewhere 3.5 points over 2004 number all the data is not in on 2012 a close estimate.All of sudden 1 group got very patriotic. I will bet in 2016 if two white candidates run that pct will go back down.When you do the math do the math.

I give up. It is pointless.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by bunny651:

It's funny how you think others are only considering the "miniscule reason" yet you are looking at one angle. We aren't the ones that screaming "White votes don't count anymore" or something in that nature. Your solution is to put a Hispanic Republican on the ticket and coast to the victory? Now, that's nonsense!!

Instead of finding ways to chip away the difference, you are more into proving the blacks are "racists" or calling the youths stupid. If they were, what do that says about the Republicans, the data was out there FOR YEARS. Wait, you just want to wait for the Democrats to hang themselves, that's progressive.

 




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QUOTE Originally Posted by No_Contest:

Black people have far more practice voting for white people, than whites have practice voting for any minority. I bet you have never voted for a black person. And maybe the 93% of blacks that voted for President Obama, voted for him, for the same reasons you didn't vote for him.



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Sir i voted for obama in 2008 and  mattbrot you just do like the facts.I done with this bogus group of children.
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