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#26 Posted: 5/13/2012 2:58:59 PM 70/10 Liberal |
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#27 Posted: 5/13/2012 3:02:09 PM The Economic questions are highly deceiving and flat out inaccurate.
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#28 Posted: 5/13/2012 5:04:06 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH: I grew up in a two party household. My mother was a D and my father R. My mom was liberal and my father a strict conservative. I grew up being indoctrinated by both parents. I was around my mom more, so I became a democrat. I was a D all the way through high school. I still side with D’s although I don’t consider myself a D. I chose to pick the lesser of the two evils. It wasn’t till Ralph Nader became mainstream in the counterculture when I started to pay attention to green party politics and libertarianism. I would always cheer for the D’s to defeat the R’s because of social issues and I like that the D’s were promoting freedom, liberty, and progress. Eight years ago you could separate the D’s and R’s but now it’s hard to see a difference. I’ve seen enough of the D’s and R’s in power. I want to see what a libertarian president could do with 4 years. I listen to Gary Johnson and I can’t find a single thing that I disagree with him on. Ron Paul on the other hand I do have things I disagree with but if Gary Johnson doesn’t win I could settle for Ron Paul. I suggest to those who are reading this…do you know the REAL democratic and republican party? The deeper I looked the more I realized that both sides are nothing but forms of communism and theocratic totalitarianism. Both sides don’t represent what the founding fathers had in mind. We are now living in a theo-fascist dictatorship controlled by republocrats and corporate media.  Right now, I just want any kind of libertarian in office.
I think the problem is that in the 21st century the "GOP/conservatives" spend and act like liberals promoting a stronger central government... but do so with conservative agendas to drain the country of its resource... and then Obama comes in and does similar but only adds his agenda...
No one wants to take a look at their party... but instead continue to spread the lies and slander... Basically take no personal accountability and instead just bash the other side... This is the famous white flag that they are embarassed by their own party and no they have nothing to offer so they just girl and moan about what the other side is doing...   
Even though people thought he was crazy, I actually liked for ross perot (not necessarily for his stances) but that he represented a the growing distaste for the two party system and the r and d politicians that were both simply keeping the establishment...
similar to perot the libertarian party has stance which piss both sides off because they ask that both sides drop their agendas and do what is best for americans... hard concept for either side
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#29 Posted: 5/13/2012 5:19:32 PM
Actually not that hard....... Obama is doing it now...... Slick Willy did it before him.
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#30 Posted: 5/13/2012 6:14:30 PM  |
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#31 Posted: 5/14/2012 5:36:55 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:
Where did you see them promoting freedom and liberty. Just curious, not busting balls. Rick, I was speaking in general. It seemed every time I saw a liberal speaking it was always about freedom and liberty. When it comes to issues like abortion, porn, private life, individual rights, equal rights, equal justice, social equality, body rights, immigration, censorship, prostitution, drugs, and marriage. Democrats have a liberal approach to all of these issues.
Democrats are closer to being libertarians than republicans on ALL of these issues. Republicans believe the government has the right to create laws on personal beliefs. Look at the scores some of these guys got on personal issues. They want the United States, founded on a democracy, freedom, liberty, and progress, to be a theo-facist government…and they’re proud to say it!
Republicans need to pick up their garbage and move to Vatican City. Democrats need to pick up their garbage and move to Cuba. Now if you want to live here. You have to except freedom, liberty, and progress. Like the founding fathers of this country intended. Notice that not a single person challenged post 20. I think it was the most beautiful post I ever posted. 
Dl36, I completely agree with everything you said.
FriedShrimp, You should read post 20 and this post. I suggest you need to brush up on politics and American history.
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#32 Posted: 5/14/2012 8:12:45 AM I see where you are coming from. I see democrats as constantly perpetuating a nanny state, and attempting to trample the ideals of the Republic to promote Democracy (which never works, and has proven to be a gateway to Tyranny) . different perspective. |
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#33 Posted: 5/14/2012 8:38:02 AM the so called independents, and self proclaimed independent thinkers
why is it they seem all the same as the D's and R's that they have abandoned out of being ashamed to associate with them? I guess, if they have no alternative, there really is no difference 
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#34 Posted: 5/14/2012 9:00:11 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:
I see where you are coming from. I see democrats as constantly perpetuating a nanny state, and attempting to trample the ideals of the Republic to promote Democracy (which never works, and has proven to be a gateway to Tyranny) . different perspective. Rick, I understand exactly what you mean. The democrats motto is the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Be easy, if that comment was directed at me? Then I suggest you read post 20, 23, 31 and tell me what I said that wasn't from a independent/independent thinking perspective. You're blind if you can't see that I'm an independent thinking libertarian.
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#35 Posted: 5/14/2012 11:43:20 AM Money,,,,you are all over the place. from Obama supporter to Paul to Johnson over the last six weeks. The comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular, there are plenty of people that claim to be 'independent', but it's as if they seem to exert the most energy on proving to someone else that they are so independent, and you'd figure what with all these born again independents (not a knock, people disowning the two party system is a win in itself), that there would be a bevy of new ideas and information to ponder,,,,,and i'm just not seeing it.
my personal point of view is that it is all but impossible to be watching all the media outlets and talking heads, and to filter out all that crap, and still make an independent thought,,,,,what i see is highly adulterated thinking, saturated with the propaganda of the collective institutions that wish to bombard you with their crap
turn off the tv,,,,the internet news outlets,,,everything. You have no idea what you are missing, until you can permanently unplug from all the noise. only then, can one begin to hear, that which you didn't know you weren't hearing all along
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#36 Posted: 5/14/2012 12:58:29 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy: Money,,,,you are all over the place. from Obama supporter to Paul to Johnson over the last six weeks. The comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular, there are plenty of people that claim to be 'independent', but it's as if they seem to exert the most energy on proving to someone else that they are so independent, and you'd figure what with all these born again independents (not a knock, people disowning the two party system is a win in itself), that there would be a bevy of new ideas and information to ponder,,,,,and i'm just not seeing it. my personal point of view is that it is all but impossible to be watching all the media outlets and talking heads, and to filter out all that crap, and still make an independent thought,,,,,what i see is highly adulterated thinking, saturated with the propaganda of the collective institutions that wish to bombard you with their crap turn off the tv,,,,the internet news outlets,,,everything. You have no idea what you are missing, until you can permanently unplug from all the noise. only then, can one begin to hear, that which you didn't know you weren't hearing all along When was I ever an Obama supporter the last 6 weeks? I did vote for him but I soon realized he was all talk. You labeled me an Obama supporter. When I came back to the political forum after talking a vacation from this site, I never said I was an Obama supporter. Now I did say I pick Obama by default over creepy cultist psychopathic Romney. Ive said this so many times already. If I have to
I’m a Johnson supporter now because I had no idea who he was. As to that turn off the TV argument. Glen beck said the same thing. Look at how that worked out for him. He had nothing but time to listen to the psycho voices in his head and now looks crazier than ever. I have a new idea…I know this is going to sound crazy to a lot of you D’s and R’s.
How about we start using the United States constitution and the declaration of independence as a starting point…again…and we can move forward from there! I know… I know… I’m a crazy libertarian. Using the idea of liberty, freedom, the US constitution, and the declaration of independence… what the hell am I thinkin right?
The America hating republicans need to move to Vatican City and the America hating democrats need to move to Cuba.
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#37 Posted: 5/14/2012 7:44:50 PM Here we go again money... you challenge the rhetoric from the aliases and alias supporters and you are labelled an die hard obama loving liberal extremist...
Ironically it only further proves the basic point you have been making about those unable to transcend the 2 party paradigm...
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#38 Posted: 5/15/2012 8:44:28 AM personal 100%
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#39 Posted: 5/15/2012 8:47:50 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
When was I ever an Obama supporter the last 6 weeks? I did vote for him but I soon realized he was all talk. You labeled me an Obama supporter. When I came back to the political forum after talking a vacation from this site, I never said I was an Obama supporter. Now I did say I pick Obama by default over creepy cultist psychopathic Romney. Ive said this so many times already. If I have to
I’m a Johnson supporter now because I had no idea who he was. As to that turn off the TV argument. Glen beck said the same thing. Look at how that worked out for him. He had nothing but time to listen to the psycho voices in his head and now looks crazier than ever. I have a new idea…I know this is going to sound crazy to a lot of you D’s and R’s.
How about we start using the United States constitution and the declaration of independence as a starting point…again…and we can move forward from there! I know… I know… I’m a crazy libertarian. Using the idea of liberty, freedom, the US constitution, and the declaration of independence… what the hell am I thinkin right?
The America hating republicans need to move to Vatican City and the America hating democrats need to move to Cuba.
sorry, i guess i had you confused with someone else that said that they always vote dem, that they voted obama last election, that they, like anyone else with any brains, would be voting for bama in the '12 elections, and had nothing but criticism for the repukes, and was mum on the left 
i guess,,,if you have psycho voices in your head,,,then by all means, turn the tv all the way on and turn the volume all the way up,,,,you must need the noise to drown out your psychosis 
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#40 Posted: 5/15/2012 8:47:58 AM QUOTE\ Originally Posted by djbrow:
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looks like you and friedshrimp are the only 2 who failed
study up a little more and maybe you'll make better than a 30 outta 100 next time
what a simple test...... cant believe some of these people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES I THINK THE GOVT SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF TAKING PETER'S MONEY OUTTA HIS PAYCHECK TO PAY JOE, JOE CANT FIND A JOB AND HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR 2.5 YEAR...................... POOR DJBROW, OH I MEAN JOE!
quit being a drag on society liberals!  
seriously a 30/100 and another 30/100............... disgusting |
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#41 Posted: 5/15/2012 8:51:19 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36: Here we go again money... you challenge the rhetoric from the aliases and alias supporters and you are labelled an die hard obama loving liberal extremist... Ironically it only further proves the basic point you have been making about those unable to transcend the 2 party paradigm...
the only ironic part is that you seemed to direct that post at me,,,,seeing as how i was the one questioning his alleged independence, since your last post in this thread,,,,,and you of all people, clutter this forum with your garbage, never once have i read an interesting political thought from your posts or threads,,,,only the same old shtick over and over and over and over and over again. whining, about the obama whiners,,,,whining about sarah palin,,,,whining about not being invited to some only-exists-in-your-head circle jerk male bonding wide legged stance party 
get a room and you can eachother to death about how independent you are, how stupid the republicans are, and how you intend to vote for Obama again
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#42 Posted: 5/15/2012 10:11:29 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy: sorry, i guess i had you confused with someone else that said that they always vote dem, that they voted obama last election, that they, like anyone else with any brains, would be voting for bama in the '12 elections, and had nothing but criticism for the repukes, and was mum on the left  i guess,,,if you have psycho voices in your head,,,then by all means, turn the tv all the way on and turn the volume all the way up,,,,you must need the noise to drown out your psychosis My problem with republicans is social bigotry. I said it hundreds of times already. Look who I had to choose from four years ago. Obams hope and change idea tricked me. I always voted dem because of social bigotry issues.
How many damn times do I have to say it? It’s not my fault you can’t comprehend the message that I’m sending. Maybe if you actually paid attention to both parties, instead of putting all of your attention on democrats, you could comprehend where I’m coming from.
I’m the ONLY one on here that attacks both sides and speaks his mind. Post 31 clearly says why I side with the lesser of the two evils. It’s Ron Paul, my candidate Gary Johnson (by the way Mr. Johnson could be the greatest president of all time if he was elected) and if I have to choose who is going to darn the country.
I guess Obama wins by default. At least he can sing Al Green in our ear while he rapes the country. Romney wants to rape the country in a sick creepy theocratic forceful way laughing without lube. Sounds painful when I think about it.
Gary Johnson 2012 
You say I only attack republicans? Really? Look at posts 20, 23, 31, and 36 in this thread.
Check out DiscoD69’s threads.
Disco D69 Topic: Arizona Shooter was neo-Nazi & Former GOP official
Posts 52, 58, 63, 77, 78, 81, 84, and 88
DiscoD69 Topic: RNC may block Nevada delegation if it seats too many pro-Paul delegates
Posts 8, 12, 15, 17, 19, 22, 27, 37, and 40
I think you are a closet conservative republican that hates my political views because I speak the truth. I clearly attack both sides and am a proud libertarian. You’re wrong about me Be easy. My posts clearly show my politics. 
Hold'em and DL 
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#43 Posted: 5/15/2012 12:22:07 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by HoldEm00:
looks like you and friedshrimp are the only 2 who failed
study up a little more and maybe you'll make better than a 30 outta 100 next time
what a simple test...... cant believe some of these people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES I THINK THE GOVT SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF TAKING PETER'S MONEY OUTTA HIS PAYCHECK TO PAY JOE, JOE CANT FIND A JOB AND HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR 2.5 YEAR...................... POOR DJBROW, OH I MEAN JOE!
quit being a drag on society liberals!  
seriously a 30/100 and another 30/100............... disgusting
Hold 'em
The 'quiz' is subjective and makes a cursory determination of where you fall in the political spectrum. 
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#44 Posted: 5/16/2012 4:59:26 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy: the only ironic part is that you seemed to direct that post at me,,,,seeing as how i was the one questioning his alleged independence, since your last post in this thread,,,,,and you of all people, clutter this forum with your garbage, never once have i read an interesting political thought from your posts or threads,,,,only the same old shtick over and over and over and over and over again. whining, about the obama whiners,,,,whining about sarah palin,,,,whining about not being invited to some only-exists-in-your-head circle jerk male bonding wide legged stance party  get a room and you can  eachother to death about how independent you are, how stupid the republicans are, and how you intend to vote for Obama again
I just relate with the situation of being labeled as liberal when I am not one... Thats my issue...
Simply read the thread... no mention circle jerk, no mention of male bonding, no mention of sarah palin... Yet you are bringing it up out of absolutely no where... Thats your issues...
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#45 Posted: 5/17/2012 12:34:57 AM A low score on the economics is desirable. Here are the 5 questions.....
1) END corporate welfare?...... okay, see you Auto business
2) END barriers to global free trade?....... okay, goodbye Middle Class
3) Let People control their social security?...... debateable but obviously this question does not favor the word Pension.
4) Replace welfare with private charity?...... SURE, this would work 
5) Cut taxes and spending by 50%?...... No more infrastructure? 
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#46 Posted: 5/17/2012 12:40:30 AM The 5 questions should be.....
1) Would you rather pay 35% tax on a million dollars in income, or 20% tax on half a million in income?
2) Do you believe the price of the dollar has anything to do with your standard of living?
3) Do you know what a balance sheet is?
4) Are employment figures important?
5) Are you able to recognize an Asian country on a globe?
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#47 Posted: 5/17/2012 1:56:12 AM Fried knows Economics
Ain't the GOP ain't got em.
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#48 Posted: 5/17/2012 2:01:24 AM The other part.........
Suggested "maybe" for military draft.
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#49 Posted: 5/17/2012 2:02:30 AM When fats people in Alabama wanna "kick their behind"............. they may get drafted and get lucky.
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#50 Posted: 5/17/2012 2:03:55 AM If gonna have the idiot public involved in elections..... might as well have them in the military.
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