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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:27:12 AM
As boxing seems to be getting worse with it's conduct... I will add some flavor that is off-topic but fun and even more frightening is REAL!
In a previous post, I told people from Buffalo, Albany, NYC, Miami, Toronto, Vegas, LA, Austin... not including outside North America.

These people are characters we all have known and wonder why they aren't in Hollywood doing REAL reality TV. For me it started in 2002, and I was writing a story script on a dozen guys.

An Example is "The Bird (bird brain)" or "Moe (3 stooges)" (same guy). Even stranger, I read a lot and saw a joke regarding philosophers that was identical to a real story for Moe. About 30 years back, people took the shuttle (flight from Albany NY to Atlantic City on a small four engine plane). This story goes as such during the flight. Moe was traveling with a friend (named Blevy -big time bookie in the day; I think he just passed, but prior he cleaning private (poker, gin, booking) clubs. During the flight a problem with one engine cause the pilot to notify the passengers that they shut the engine down, and would decrease speed and altitude. Now, the air time was one average less than an hour (like 40 mins), so about 5 minutes later, a second engine blew out. The pilot repeated what he said, then gave a speech to calm passengers. They were almost at Atlantic City when, yes... you guessed it, the 3rd engine went. Now people were on edge in panic... the Pilot started telling the story of the Wright Bros flying on a propeller, etc.. and noted that they would be hovering (flying at the lowest possible altitude and decrease speed to a near halt) as they were almost there, and at that speed they would be safe with that engine.
Now, after the pilot stopped... Moe started his engine (brain), and said very loudly to Blevy (small plane and quiet people were holding their breath) "WTF is going on... after every engine goes we go slower and slower. I pray to God that last engine don't go or that damn pilot will have us going so slow we'll never make to Atlantic City"! Blevy was stunned and put his head down. People thought why is this man joking as they were fearful of dying that trip. Little did they know... "The Bird" was totally serious regarding his statement not even considering the plane would go down without an engine.
To add strange to that, I read a joke about a philosopher thinking the same thing in an almost same situation. It was a mock at philosophers (and was relating to therapists as well).

No fear, Moe is still around and I will travel to Albany within months and video him. Even though he is early 80s, the man is built like a brick after many years of hardcore construction. He did the wrecking ball for a day, but failed to realized that (he had the wrong house) the electrical wires were still attached and maybe that would help him know he was at the wrong house. Moe blasted the side of the house... a dog went flying out of the open space, a lady screamed from the bathroom. She was flipping as you could imagine... Moe had a simple response "Lady, get out because it's coming down whether you're in our out!" LOL - That was his last day (and his first).

Here Frank (known as WOP). These clips were done and he knew he was filmed around late 2010. I did audio and video in 2005 and back then he had no idea my phone had vid-cam, so he was being himself. I will post a clip from people who did a bad job of videoing him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfxFtemuNNI&feature=related

I have to find my old hard drive and post these on youtube. It had legendary people. I hope you enjoyed the stories and the brief clip (not mine).

I got some people that are publicly know, so I'd need permission (and most likely denied by their publicist), but it had characters with celebs and athletes in Vegas and LA. Also, a crazy poker scene with A-Rod in NYC underground games. I don't want to be sued, as it seems people are sued for just falling and finding someone to sue.
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Posted: 3/25/2012 10:39:10 AM
I forgot. Moe gets frustrated when you don't understand this story he tells. A friend (Cheeks) of the club guys lived in Florida, and the day he flew back to Fla, he passed away that night. Moe would tell people the update and they were often confused... they understood what he meant, but the statement lacks and any, ummm, you'll see.

Moe: "Hey, you hear about Cheeks? Just yesterday he was playing Gin (Rummy) with me, and he flew back to Florida that night. Now, listen to this... that SOB woke up dead!"
Me: (I know already buy love to amp Moe up) "Moe, what happened that morning"
Moe: "What part are you missing. He woke up dead!"
Me: (Not laughing yet) "So he woke up, and called 911 but died before the hospital".
Moe: "Can you hear? WHEN THE SOB WOKE UP, HE WAS DEAD!!! Sorry kid, I use to think you had smarts, not marbles."

Believe it or go FY!
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Posted: 3/26/2012 7:07:32 AM
wtf are you typing about?
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Posted: 3/26/2012 8:03:23 AM
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Posted: 3/26/2012 12:48:30 PM
Zouk I have NO IDEA what you would be talking about most of the time. It's like you got your own language or something..
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Posted: 3/26/2012 1:09:27 PM
Skipbone: I figured if JerseyBoy89 can make outrageous claims and totally LIE... I can mix-it-up a little.
The topic was explaining no matter what the sport, where it's done, etc...many things that might seem distant and particular to a specific sport, most have very close similarities, even in the unheard underground stories.
I was adding info on some outrageous World Class Degenerates that take the cake. They entertain 24/7 just with their own mind-set (which as much as I nailed WOP, he actually does have an innate understanding of the whole picture (which separates him from a dozen or so others I could post about; but they don't create their own problems from mainly addiction degenerate, they are clueless in the big picture even if it was painted. Frank's addictions take control of him 99.9%!
I did consider this post going under another forum topic, but it is harmless and added for entertainment. I added the youtube clip even though they are weak ones. My audio clips I have  on him put the Jerky Boys to shame. This guy is the real deal.
My apologies for any confusion, as it was intended more for laughs.
Underneath, it has some fundamental universal truths regarding life and handicapping.
Since it was entertainment, I would state in any information that was fiction or more hype (if it existed).
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Posted: 3/26/2012 4:00:36 PM

remember puff puff pass...whatever u are smoking dont forget to pass....

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Posted: 3/26/2012 7:19:30 PM
Mack... I hear ya, I'm all over the place in regards to the content of a post. Whatever comes to mind, that somehow reminds me of a subject that would point to handicapping, old stories about degenerates, many poker stories ( that's what you get from a person who did it for a long time as a career). I would love to tell some personal stories regarding celebrities, well know poker players, and others, but my reason for silence is not the commercial "What happen in Vegas, stays in Vegas", except when you catch "The Clap" and while in Aruba it goes with you. LOL- kidding, but I'm sure it's happened.
I was invited to the Playboy Mansion (not just the Vegas one), private prestige parties in Europe among royalty, and even UAE (United Arab Emirates) or most common known as Dubai where they have the only (self proclaimed) 7 Star Hotel "Burj Al Arab", from playing high stakes poker with these people and I was treated very generously. So, it would be in very bad taste to mention any story that might embarrass or cause private moments revealed.

 It all started with a Limit Hold'em 80-160 game at Bellagio a few years after it's opening. A nine handed game had 7 very serious players (ages were late 20s to late 50's), a very loose and wild player, and me. I knew no one at that time and the guy to my right made a comment "I started playing poker so I didn't blow 50k every time I play craps, but everyone is so serious there isn't even a conversation. I apologize and not hear to offend anyone if I did, but I enjoy gambling and conversation, basically a fun time." Before he was about to rack his chips and leave I offered him to play prop bets on the flop using suits (very common in high stake games). We kept it simple. I took clubs, he had diamonds. The range was $1k per unit. If a club and diamond both hit (with a spade), we tie, or if neither hits, we tie. If two clubs appear and one diamond, I get +1 Unit. If I get two and zero for him, +2 for me. The only severe range was if the flop came all one suit of either of ours. It was +5 units (5k), if the Ace of that suit (Ace of clubs, for me), it's worth +2 more units (+7), and we added the double. If the two of that suit hits, whatever Units won that flop were double. It sounds like a lot, but compared to the other prop games, it was elementary. The most you could win was 14 units a flop (compared to the size of the game, the prop betting wasn't near proportional; $200 per unit would have been. So the guy was excited as I explained it. I hit the first flop Ac-2c-Jc (all clubs +5, the Ace +2 (+7) and the deuce made it double (+14), which was $14,000). I won or tied 12 straight for $56k (I was first glad I didn't lose a lot, then excited but also the guy was a class act and very rich but I felt a sense of guilt even though it was just 50-50 pure luck). He thanked me, was getting up and offered me to go play dice (craps) which a decade earlier I would have been broke constantly in Vegas as I was a craps junkie (but I was lucky and lost the luster for any gambling game with no skill)... except C-LO has a place in my heart and pocket. I went over to dice, the guy was around late 40s and laid back. His family owned a lot of Real Estate and a large hospital supply factory for west coast Hospitals. He was a Italian, and very well connected (I thought that it was all corporate in Las Vegas by 2000, but they still have family businesses. Costa Rica is mostly owned by a group of wealthy families. I heard that previously as my friend Stu went there to buy Ocean property and build Condos, but he ran into a presence that is silent until something is going on. Stu said they've worked hard to keep it clean and safe, and they would have to own part of any large business, so he was out. Salvatore said they wanted to buy a Hotel with an underground brothel and Casino, but they were denied. Then I slowly was told all the info from him. He was low-key but had CLOUT, but you'd never know as he was a class act. He introduced me to the who's who of business world and the underground business world. A very close friend who won several million at the final table at the WSOP within the past 5 years (also had a few million from high stakes poker) was almost barred from all MGM properties (due to complaint he made regarding bad service at Bellagio, and left voicemail for the day manager). The call had no threats, but sounded like a man ready to explode. They did the right thing having to protect other customers staying there and security and SWAT came knocking with the day manager. The manager said there was no way he could stay or return to any MGM property and that was that. I roomed with the nearly banned player. I told the manager I knew a friend that was best friend the vice chairman on MGM board of directors, and he said it didn't matter. I asked then one phone call wouldn't hurt, I called my guy, he patched through to someone and the manager wasn't on for 30 seconds and VOILA... a warning and here to stay.
THE LESSON: (it's been the same since humans day #1) IT'S WHO YOU KNOW! THAT OUTWEIGHS ALL OTHER FACTORS COMBINED... UNLESS YOU ARE THE MAN YOURSELF!

Mack05: I know, another off the wall story, but was it decent? If not, it was true and funny looking back (also at the time for me as I lost so much of my bankroll that took 4 years to build I wasn't in the negative zone... I was in the Zone that was like "Did I realize how much that was at anytime? LOL.   THE END... the story, not me!
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