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#51
Posted: 3/7/2012 4:00:42 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329:

and i already know all you card counters will have your panties in an uproar over my post.
the people that write all the card counting books, make their money selling books, not counting cards.
If you are a card counter and winning money, your winning that money because of random luck.




This is the same with all the great poker players too probably to you, random luck.  This post otherwise is not even worth a comment. I would put it to you like Socrates-
1) If you are to hit 20 repeatedly would you win? If you answer no then you have to acknowledge that percentages play a roll in the game
2) Does the player have any advantage in the game? If you answer yes then you have acknowledge that 10's and A's are powerful cards in the game. All of the players advantages come from doubling and BJ. Here is where the large cards play a major role. The house advantage is huge and is players bust first of course.
3) If you knew when all the large cards were left, would you do better? If you think the answer is no then take out half of the 4,5,6 in a deck and play with a basic strategy card for an hour or two.  Get back to me and let me know how you did......Make sure you pay your BJ at 3/2 and double and split appropriately per your card.
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Posted: 3/30/2012 1:27:34 AM

got the book great stuff had two winning sessions since

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Posted: 3/30/2012 1:39:17 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329:

and i already know all you card counters will have your panties in an uproar over my post.
the people that write all the card counting books, make their money selling books, not counting cards.
If you are a card counter and winning money, your winning that money because of random luck.

i agree with this for the most part. you have to be a real genius to swing the odds in your favor. if you're on that level than you probably don't need to count cards to make money. 

if you're an avg card counter than you're just bringing the odds closer to 50% but it's still in the houses favor. 
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Posted: 3/30/2012 3:16:52 AM
THANK YOU LIPPSMAN FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION ABOUT THE COUNTS. I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT STRATEGY AND IM GLAD YOU SHARED THIS WITH US!

ILL SKIP THE BASIC COUNT AND TRY YOUR METHOD 
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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:41:35 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:


i agree with this for the most part. you have to be a real genius to swing the odds in your favor. if you're on that level than you probably don't need to count cards to make money. 

if you're an avg card counter than you're just bringing the odds closer to 50% but it's still in the houses favor. 

Again, this is very wrong. You don't need to be a genius. Can you use a number line ?  Can you count from -10 ten to +10 ?  If yes to these two things I can train you.  Hell, you can train yourself. 

Quit paying attention to the movies about blackjack.  They are all hollywooded up for dramatic effect.  I don't need someone from Harvard or Yale.  I can take some one from your local tech college.

I taught my kids when they were14 and 10 and taught them to count. They both could count down 6 decks cold.  Perfectly.  The son is now 25 and daughter will turn 21 in a few weeks.  

Guess where dad is taking the 21 yearold for her birthday ?  The first time we will all be able to play as a team. 

I have been waiting a very long time to work her into the casinos. A 21 year old woman that can not only turn heads but can count.  Oh, that's a very powerful person to have now, indeed.  

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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:43:58 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by pinoy1da:

THANK YOU LIPPSMAN FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION ABOUT THE COUNTS. I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT STRATEGY AND IM GLAD YOU SHARED THIS WITH US!

ILL SKIP THE BASIC COUNT AND TRY YOUR METHOD 

Please try the K.O. book first. 

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Posted: 3/30/2012 12:19:45 PM

yea the K.O. book is a great place to start as it explains how and when to increase your bet how much to bet depending on your bankroll it was a great read.

i found a great place to count which has a side game and the dealers are slower so counting is simple i can take my time, i had two heartbreakers so far tho max bet out double down i get 20 dealer gets 21 but like i said still both winning sessions so just shows the count power

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Posted: 3/30/2012 1:44:27 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Burly:

yea the K.O. book is a great place to start as it explains how and when to increase your bet how much to bet depending on your bankroll it was a great read.

i found a great place to count which has a side game and the dealers are slower so counting is simple i can take my time, i had two heartbreakers so far tho max bet out double down i get 20 dealer gets 21 but like i said still both winning sessions so just shows the count power


Glad it worked for you.  I have a way for you to make it even more powerful if you are interested. 
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Posted: 3/30/2012 4:00:28 PM

I am very interested, i have one question though, for six decks i am starting my count at -20 not the -7 you posted before this is what the book says 4( # of decks) - 4.

just want your input cause it will change when i get to the +4

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Posted: 4/4/2012 12:22:29 PM
Lippsman im still interested to hear more about your strategy
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Posted: 4/4/2012 1:06:34 PM

Just saw your questions.  Will hit ya back later on today.

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Posted: 4/4/2012 1:09:02 PM

perfect thanks

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Posted: 4/4/2012 3:05:15 PM
I am not that big a fan of blackjack, but I did sit down and play in Vegas last year when I was there for the Nascar race.  I was playing $10 hands.  I went on a run like never before.  I was up a few hundred and increased my bets to $20-$50.  Pretty soon I was up a grand.  I ended up playing 2 hands at the table and was varying my bets from $20 up to $100.....no real system....just playing by feel (that's why I suck at blackjack).  I was up over $2K and now was varying my bets from $50 to $200.  200 hands up. This got the attention of the pit boss (not to mention a bunch of other people).  I had $200 at one hand and $100 at the other.  I doubled down on the $200 hand and won it and split on the other and won that one as well.  I was now up over $3K and the pit boss was very interested.

Anyway, I was absolutely loaded and having a blast.  I proceeded to give it all back with the exception of about $300.  I would have gladly given that away if a buddy of mine wouldn't have dragged my behind away from the table.  

Had a great time, but still beat myself up for giving most of it back.  
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Posted: 4/4/2012 9:15:23 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Burly:

I am very interested, i have one question though, for six decks i am starting my count at -20 not the -7 you posted before this is what the book says 4( # of decks) - 4.

just want your input cause it will change when i get to the +4

With 6 decks that is the correct number, I was talking about another amount of decks.

Ok, here is the book you need to purchase.   Modern Blackjack by Norm Wattenberger.  Read the whole book cover to cover.  But pay close attention to Chapter 11, that is the one that focues on the KO book and refines the strategy to make it more powerful.

In the book KO is called REKO.  The index values are changed to just one !!!!! +2  Makes things even more easy.  Also the book has the FELT count which is a level 2 count. 

You find them at Amazon, I have the one with both volumes combined into one book.  But I can't find that right now. You may to buy them seperatly.

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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:05:36 PM
I have the KO book is there a second KO book? So with the only count being +2 do you no longer count face or ace cards?
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Posted: 4/5/2012 12:44:54 AM

sorry i misread,

thanks i will pick up that book as well,

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Posted: 8/8/2012 7:56:57 PM

Lippsman

i have tripled my bankroll in twenty sessions and really wanna thank you for your time and knowledge

using the KO count is working for me but i also watch for fives coming out as they put the deck in the players favor the most

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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:04:35 PM

That is great to hear.

Just keep doing what you are doing.  Edge up those wagers as your bankroll gets bigger and don't let a bad session get you down.  Remember it's the long run you are looking for.

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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:44:12 PM
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Posted: 8/9/2012 11:53:29 PM
What is a realistic expectation Lipps??
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Posted: 8/10/2012 12:14:53 AM

Exactly

Trust me not all my sessions are winners but as long as you can walk away when its just not happening its so much money management ive gained so much more control its a great skill to learn for all venues of gambling

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Posted: 8/10/2012 10:41:06 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

I am not that big a fan of blackjack, but I did sit down and play in Vegas last year when I was there for the Nascar race.  I was playing $10 hands.  I went on a run like never before.  I was up a few hundred and increased my bets to $20-$50.  Pretty soon I was up a grand.  I ended up playing 2 hands at the table and was varying my bets from $20 up to $100.....no real system....just playing by feel (that's why I suck at blackjack).  I was up over $2K and now was varying my bets from $50 to $200.  200 hands up. This got the attention of the pit boss (not to mention a bunch of other people).  I had $200 at one hand and $100 at the other.  I doubled down on the $200 hand and won it and split on the other and won that one as well.  I was now up over $3K and the pit boss was very interested.

Anyway, I was absolutely loaded and having a blast.  I proceeded to give it all back with the exception of about $300.  I would have gladly given that away if a buddy of mine wouldn't have dragged my behind away from the table.  

Had a great time, but still beat myself up for giving most of it back.  



One of my favorite Vegas stories.
Has to be 20 years ago. I am playing BJ at Harrahs. This is before it was redone. Anyways, I am at a table with a couple of other guys and we are making small talk. The guy next to me is cool and a little loaded. He asks if I wanna do a shot. I am not counting just playing some low level cards and looking to get loaded so I figure why not. They bring us shots with beer backs and you have to do the shot while the waitress is waiting and then hand her back the glass and she gives you a beer. I tip her pretty aggressively and she is there every 15-20 minutes like clock work.  We do this a couple of times and I am feeling no pain and he is flat out wasted now, with more brewing in the stomach if you know what I mean.
Well, he starts talking to the cards and getting loud and more importantly WINNING! LIKE CRAZY.  The dealer is busting a lot so I am doing good but this guy goes on a streak only seen in movies and read on Covers blogs.  I do not want to exaggerate too much here but we are playing reds and some greens and before you know it, this guy is playing blacks and roaming into some of those odd colors that are usually reserved for Bellagio.
This goes on for some time ( I cannot tell you as I was too drunk) and the guy is so smashed he cannot stack his chips. The table is packed on a weeknight with on lookers and the pit bosses are looking for some salt.  The guy is screaming at the top of his lungs on every hand and whatever card he is screaming for just turns over like magic. TEN-TEN-TEN BUST YEAH!!!!!!
You get my drift.
He now has so many non stacked chips they are falling in front of me and the guy on his other side and the pit bosses are starting to multiply. He is screaming for his next round but the waitress no longer appears.
Then I see someone pushing through the crowd and she is right over my shoulder and she is ecstatic." OMG honey! That is all the money we have lost on the trip. Let;s go right now, right now!" and she grabs him by the shoulder and starts to rip him up from the table.


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Posted: 8/10/2012 10:54:05 AM
But this is Vegas, and of course, it does not end there. This guy, who was actually pretty cool sober, it friggin tanked and invincible. "F&%$ You, "he blurts out and then the memorable and always fatal  " I cannot lose!"
The pit bosses intervene and tell his wife that she cannot remove him from the table if he wants to keep playing. He smirks and sits back down.




From that moment on, it starts, he cannot win a hand.  Unreal, he is screaming and carrying on but the cards will not fall his way. Not one. TEN-TEN-TEN -nope again. His wife is right behind me and she is crying, heaving like when you are a little kid . " please, please" I can hear her say.  I look over and say " dude, call it a night with what you got there, that is a lot of money."  He looks at me and does not say a word. I do not know what else to say. I and everyone around knew he was going to blow this whole stack. We are all powerless to stop it.  The scene is now playing out like a bad movie. In ten minutes or so with him pushing bets, the mound is gone, all of it but a couple of lonely reds. I will never know how much it was but it was a nice sum for sure.

He pushes the last few reds  to the dealer  as a toke and gets up from the table. The crowd is still there as is his wife and she cannot even speak. She is just crying, sobbing, heaving and repeating herself, "please, no, no, please"


He pats me on the back and says something like thanks for a great time and is gone, just like that.

That crowd disappears and the casino goes on again, like nothing ever even happened there. The casino just  swallows him up.

I get up and go to the bathroom, puke, round up my small winnings back at the table and go upstairs to bed.

Vegas story #1,483.

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Posted: 8/10/2012 10:58:45 AM
Hutch, had forgotten all about that until I read your post.
Wish I could say that I had not done the same thing but I have too.
This guy though, was one of the best runs, I had ever witnessed.

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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:23:55 AM

Esplande,

You should at the very least have two winning sessions for every losing or break even one. But this is very loose and depends on a ton of factors, such as rules, penetration....etc......

Also depends on you a good deal.  Sometimes you gotta know when to walk away with that small profit.  Usually if I go for a few hours and just can't make any headway I will walk if I get up a few units and call it good.

 

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