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Posted: 5/24/2012 1:21:34 AM
It is too typical that a thread like this would bring out scalabrine and the 2 of the racist/bigot aliases on this site...

Eazy... let me break it down to you real simple... in terms that make sense to you... not what the formal terms might mean...

affirmative action is a racist... It is a racist compensation to the racism (both historically and currently) that exists/existed...

If the racism did not exist in the first place there would be no need for affirmative action/quotas and BS like that... So rather then bitching about affirmative action which is the symptom...  people should be bitching about the cause which is the discriminatory practices in the first place...

but because that will never happen then the racist concept affirmative action exists...
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Posted: 5/24/2012 2:25:43 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:

It is too typical that a thread like this would bring out scalabrine and the 2 of the racist/bigot aliases on this site...

Eazy... let me break it down to you real simple... in terms that make sense to you... not what the formal terms might mean...

affirmative action is a racist... It is a racist compensation to the racism (both historically and currently) that exists/existed...

If the racism did not exist in the first place there would be no need for affirmative action/quotas and BS like that... So rather then bitching about affirmative action which is the symptom...  people should be bitching about the cause which is the discriminatory practices in the first place...

but because that will never happen then the racist concept affirmative action exists...


Good points
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Posted: 5/25/2012 12:16:59 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by sowhat83:



lol..typical..yawn....hero of the underrepresented.....

Supporters of these racist and sexist policies , as you claim to be,claim to be anti-racist and anti-sexist (in the case of gender quotas), but in all reality it's they  that really are racist and sexist.

A true anti-racist and anti-sexist shouldn't care whether or not some ethnic groups or gender is over-represented or under-represented anywhere. The only thing they should care about is whether or not the most qualified get the position. Only if they are shut out on account of their race or gender should we be concerned. And , ironically, this is exactly what affirmative action/quotas will do: shut out whites or men just on account of their race or gender. The alleged anti-racism of the "anti-racists" have made them into racists.

As the test scores of blacks in public schools and the far higher failure rate of those admitted under affirmative action illustrates, their under-representation simply reflects that they are under-represented among those who are qualified.....

While white racists use that under-representation to argue for rejecting all blacks -even those who are qualified-, black racists and white leftists use it to reject qualified whites. In society today, only white racists are recognized as racists, black racists and white leftists are really just as racist, only they are anti-white rather than anti-black as the white racists. Both adhere to the racist principle of rejecting someone better qualified just because of their race or sex.

Yet another delusional, self afflicted white male finds his way on this site. It never ends does it? But when you press them for answers, they always respond with convenient generalities that they have been indoctrinated with by fellow white males who can't understand why the white male privilege structure slowly erodes in this country in the 21st century (that includes the hapless OP and the usual suspects within this thread).

Let's tell him a simple fact and see how he responds:

He says AA is a racist and sexist policy; that is, it is racist against white males and sexist against them as well. They lose BOTH the color and gender battle today and have to fight through that additional barrier in the quest for 'earning' their rightful place in the corporate and educational arenas.

Isn't it ironic that very same statement could have been made literally the very second after AA was signed into law and then amended to include women in 1967?

But would that have even made sense after centuries of suppression by the white male hand to quarantine the larger benefits of society and its power and status when a law attempted to at a minimum, mitigate that trend (of course, passed by white males themselves who dominated government at virtually every corner).

Why was this law necessary?

Well this is where white males who believe AA is working against them get VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.

It was undeniable fact that job opportunities, promotions, equal pay school admissions and financial aid, the very things AA attempts to at least allow others some access to, were the exclusive province of whites before 1961, the year it was signed into law. 

Who will deny this? Anyone? The Jim Crow laws, du jour segregation and de facto segregation that existed before 1961 were perfectly evident.

So the law itself came into effect PRECISELY BECAUSE OF WHITE MALE RACIST attitudes, policies, procedures and laws. And it was blatant!

AA was a way to respond to their racist American society and attempt to recognize other races and females within society. 

Now 50 years later, all the white males born after the fact believe THEY are the afflicted because all they see is a law that doesn't allow them to maintain the historical status quo they have enjoyed for centuries in this country, that is, systematic and institutional enforcement of white male supremacist policies, the very law that, in all likelihood their parents and grandparents, both likely living today, by default benefited from. 

That is how you know the age of these posters. They need scapegoats in a sputtering economy. They see their low bank accounts and smaller houses and low-end cars or the school they ended up going to that wasn't as prominent and they say, "Hey, why am I not doing as well as my parents?? IT MUST BE THOSE DAMN MINORITIES!!!"

Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin etc. etc. etc. make a living off this kind of demagoguery and Mr. 94 poster here is living proof of this. He willingly latches onto this thinking like the Trains/Holdem's/Slovaks of this site because they need an outlet for their resentment. Minorities are the easiest target, especially blacks. Forget women. They've been told about women being the biggest beneficiaries by far, but they are white so they let it slide. The microscope comes back to the minorities after all is said and done, Blacks in particular.

So, we have already proven this law came into existence because white males wanted NOTHING to do with Blacks and women taking their jobs, educational opportunities, and income PRECISELY because they were Black and female. And they weren't shy about it. White males preached it openly both throughout all of society pre-1961.

I'll ask again, where is the evidence that in the past 50 years their racist and sexist attitudes have been completely weened out of jobs and schools and society? Women STILL make .77 on the dollar compared to men in 2012. Blacks? I could fill this thread up for days with evidence there is systematic and institutional racism in full bloom within American society today. Please cite the studies here that you have that says otherwise.

See this is typical white male privilege based thinking. He says when the policy needs to be changed. History be damned. He was born with the 'white is right' birthright and he believes he will dictate when AA has been in the law long enough to remedy the racism and sexism of yesteryear; centuries for blacks and millenia for women.  

Listen kid. I eat you guys like you for breakfast on this site and then floss you out from in between my teeth. You are no different then the rest of them. The Billysink's and Crod's etc. etc. were all dealt with and dispatched and you will be too. You have been warned. 

Do me a favor. Make like your avatar and take two golfballs and put one in each cheek on the back nine of your next outing. That look will more than suit you and say so much by doing so little.  
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Posted: 5/25/2012 12:21:27 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:

It is too typical that a thread like this would bring out scalabrine and the 2 of the racist/bigot aliases on this site...

Eazy... let me break it down to you real simple... in terms that make sense to you... not what the formal terms might mean...

affirmative action is a racist... It is a racist compensation to the racism (both historically and currently) that exists/existed...

If the racism did not exist in the first place there would be no need for affirmative action/quotas and BS like that... So rather then bitching about affirmative action which is the symptom...  people should be bitching about the cause which is the discriminatory practices in the first place...

but because that will never happen then the racist concept affirmative action exists...

In the bizarro world of DL, the Civil Rights movement should have been about 'bitching' about white male racist society erected against them as opposed to protesting and assembling en masse for laws to protect the rights of those very people that should have been ensured under the Constitution. "I have a dream" should have been "I want to girl." Doesn't carry the same tune or effect now does it...

But in the white male world of privilege and in this poster's pea brain, any law which seeks out the enforcement of these guarantees is racist, thereby proving he has no idea what the hell that word means and applies it like a grade schooler would. 

No surprise there. Not for this poster. 
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Posted: 5/25/2012 5:48:47 AM
scal... I was speaking to the OP in a way he can understand it...

you I think you are misinterpreting the bitching comment...

I can address you in the semantics of your paradigm if you would like...

I understand the formal definitions and why a minority cannot be racist... 

I understand the concept of white male privilege...

So I get your points... dont necessarily agree with it, but lets not pretend like I dont comprehend them...

So let me ask you this... am I incorrect with my point that affirmative action exists because of history/present inequities and there being no real incentive to make things more fair and therefore these types of interventions are necessary?
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Posted: 5/25/2012 10:17:11 AM
dl36 blowing scal. Just perfect.
The inarticulate outdoing the uneducated.
Male bonding, circle jerks, Covers noes........
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Posted: 5/25/2012 11:48:51 AM
I think I just got dumber after reading Scal's posts
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Posted: 5/26/2012 3:50:48 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EazyFBaby:

I think I just got dumber after reading espalande's posts



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Posted: 5/26/2012 10:07:19 AM
Scal: Is AA based on a race (and/or sex to a lesser extent) quota? Yes or no?


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Posted: 5/27/2012 10:56:27 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:

scal... I was speaking to the OP in a way he can understand it...

you I think you are misinterpreting the bitching comment...

I can address you in the semantics of your paradigm if you would like...

I understand the formal definitions and why a minority cannot be racist... 

I understand the concept of white male privilege...

So I get your points... dont necessarily agree with it, but lets not pretend like I dont comprehend them...

So let me ask you this... am I incorrect with my point that affirmative action exists because of history/present inequities and there being no real incentive to make things more fair and therefore these types of interventions are necessary?

Of course it exists because of history. Those rights, no attempted to be provided to minorities and females, were denied to those grouped SOLELY because of their race and gender by the white male collective.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

Scal: Is AA based on a race (and/or sex to a lesser extent) quota? Yes or no?



Is it based on race and sex? Yes of course. How can it not be? It found its origins in those very things.
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is it based on race?  of course.  is it racist?  no.  not if you understand the term.  it's closer to the opposite of racism.
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Posted: 5/27/2012 12:05:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


Is it based on race and sex? Yes of course. How can it not be? It found its origins in those very things.

If something is based on race, isnt it inheritantly racist, regardless of the good or bad it brings? If not, please explain.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:


If something is based on race, isnt it inheritantly racist, regardless of the good or bad it brings? If not, please explain.


no, i explained this in post 12.  look at the definition.  it includes the phrase: involving the idea that one's own race is superior to others.

AA isn't racist, it was created to help the victims of racism and address longstanding beliefs by some that white people are superior to black people. 
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never forget


Obama  has placed a large,eye-catching Norman Rockwell painting depicting one of the ugliest racial episodes ill US history in a hallway outside the oval Office. .

Entitled "The Problem We All Live With": the painting shows US marshals escorting
'Ruby:Bridges , a six-year-old African-American girl, into a New Orleans primary school in 1960 under court-ordered integration amid angry, protests from the white community. '


Although the jeering mob that gathered daily to taunt E Bridges isn’t visible, the hostility ,is vividly conveyed by a splattered tomato that has been thrown at her and graffiti A spelling out "******" in large letters across, a wall behind her.


Bridges, now 56, suggested to Obama that he display the painting, and he invited her to the White House  to a see it. "1 think it's fair to say that if it hadn't been for you guys I, might not be here," he told her.


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QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

Scal: Is AA based on a race (and/or sex to a lesser extent) quota? Yes or no?




I think alcoholics anonymous will accept anyone regardless of race/sex.age etc...  you just have to admit you have a problem and acknowledge a higher power
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QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



no, i explained this in post 12.  look at the definition.  it includes the phrase: involving the idea that one's own race is superior to others.

AA isn't racist, it was created to help the victims of racism and address longstanding beliefs by some that white people are superior to black people. 


Racism also includes that it is discriminate to other races...

and guys give me a friggin break that we are still in day where whites are more dominant then blacks that's just ignorant and naive. People of all races can do whatever the hell they want in today's day and age if they choose to do so.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



no, i explained this in post 12.  look at the definition.  it includes the phrase: involving the idea that one's own race is superior to others.

AA isn't racist, it was created to help the victims of racism and address longstanding beliefs by some that white people are superior to black people. 


I understand all that. However, if it helps the "victims of racism" it is racist because the only way they get that help is due to their race. Vicious cycle......
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QUOTE Originally Posted by EazyFBaby:

Just curious... It really doesn't make too much sense to me..
If your great great grandaddy & granndma were tied to a whipping post your eyes might see differently. just saying
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I understand all that. However, if it helps the "victims of racism" it is racist because the only way they get that help is due to their race. Vicious cycle......


we are arguing semantics but to me racism implies one group thinking they are superior to another group based on their race.  AA doesn't contemplate that idea.  it may be discrimination but it isn't racism. 
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They are owed a break.As are the poor folks burned at the stake. My oh my.
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They are owed a break.As are the poor folks burned at the stake. My oh my.



They WERE owed a break, not anymore
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