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Posted: 5/20/2012 5:40:41 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

"9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vb7o-OOe20"

Why do you constantly refer to videos as evidence, SRH? You seem like a bright dude, you have to realize the inherent propaganda that you are watching. The people making these videos have a clear predetermined conclusion and are not just "asking questions". Video is one of the easiest media avenues to manipulate.

"They’ve done simulations with actual pilots to see if what the 911 commission said was possible and it was proven that it couldn’t be done. It’s been proven without a doubt that it is impossible for a plane to attack the pentagon. There isn’t a pilot ALIVE that could strike the pentagon"

Can you please post a link to something that discusses this, preferably not a youtube video? I'd love to see the studies that they did if you have links to them.

"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are poising people and giving vaccines that have formaldehyde and can cause cancer. There is poison in the food and water."

You state this as if it is occurring currently, is that what you are saying? If so, again, I'd love to see what you are relying on for these conclusions.

"Seventy-five percent of the passengers had connections with the military and the Pentagon; not only on flight 77 but also on all the other flights and 16 of the passengers on flight 77 were retired navy, marines, national security, technicians, architects, national defense, military physicists, scientists, and engineers. They were able to man handle people with these credentials with box cutters and knifes"

Where is your evidence that 75% of passengers on ALL the other flights had "connections" to the military and Pentagon -- and what does that mean, "connections"?

"Al Qaeda – an intelligent organization that’s made up of cave dwellers that wear sandals but they were able to orchestrate the most sophisticated attack on the US. "

Oh SRH, this is where you are either the most wrong or just uninformed about the nature of Al-Qaeda. AQ is run and directed currently by an educated man, perhaps you have heard of him -- Ayman al-Zawahiri? He's a university educated physician. You wholly and significantly underestimate these radical jihadists and their sophistication if you merely think they are cave dwellers. That's just ignorant and uninformed. Why are they cave dwellers? Because they are from the Middle East, and all Middle Easterners are cave dwellers? Come on man




AGREE

al Qaeda
  • leaders able to evaluate, approve, and supervise the planning and direction of a major operation;
  • a personnel system that could recruit candidates, indoctrinate them, vet them, and give them the necessary training;
  • communications sufficient to enable planning and direction of operatives and those who would be helping them;
  • an intelligence effort to gather required information and form assessments of enemy strengths and weaknesses;
  • the ability to move people great distances; and
  • the ability to raise and move the money necessary to finance an attack.



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Posted: 5/20/2012 6:17:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

"9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vb7o-OOe20"

Why do you constantly refer to videos as evidence, SRH? You seem like a bright dude, you have to realize the inherent propaganda that you are watching. The people making these videos have a clear predetermined conclusion and are not just "asking questions". Video is one of the easiest media avenues to manipulate.

"They’ve done simulations with actual pilots to see if what the 911 commission said was possible and it was proven that it couldn’t be done. It’s been proven without a doubt that it is impossible for a plane to attack the pentagon. There isn’t a pilot ALIVE that could strike the pentagon"

Can you please post a link to something that discusses this, preferably not a youtube video? I'd love to see the studies that they did if you have links to them.

"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are poising people and giving vaccines that have formaldehyde and can cause cancer. There is poison in the food and water."

You state this as if it is occurring currently, is that what you are saying? If so, again, I'd love to see what you are relying on for these conclusions.

"Seventy-five percent of the passengers had connections with the military and the Pentagon; not only on flight 77 but also on all the other flights and 16 of the passengers on flight 77 were retired navy, marines, national security, technicians, architects, national defense, military physicists, scientists, and engineers. They were able to man handle people with these credentials with box cutters and knifes"

Where is your evidence that 75% of passengers on ALL the other flights had "connections" to the military and Pentagon -- and what does that mean, "connections"?

"Al Qaeda – an intelligent organization that’s made up of cave dwellers that wear sandals but they were able to orchestrate the most sophisticated attack on the US. "

Oh SRH, this is where you are either the most wrong or just uninformed about the nature of Al-Qaeda. AQ is run and directed currently by an educated man, perhaps you have heard of him -- Ayman al-Zawahiri? He's a university educated physician. You wholly and significantly underestimate these radical jihadists and their sophistication if you merely think they are cave dwellers. That's just ignorant and uninformed. Why are they cave dwellers? Because they are from the Middle East, and all Middle Easterners are cave dwellers? Come on man


Kaponofor3,

Pilots For 9/11 Truth Co-Founder Rob Balsamo along with Core Members Captain Rusty Aimer and Dwain Deets were recently invited by Gov. Jesse Ventura to discuss and attempt to recreate the attack on the Pentagon for the latest investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. Unlike outdated simulator recreations offered by others, this attempt is based on the actual data being provided through the Freedom of Information Act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNMakBEECqA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.physics911.net/omholt

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_hijack_impossible.html

http://www.voltairenet.org/Surprising-number-of-passengers-on

http://www.infowars.com/poison-tap-water/

http://www.naturalnews.com/008511.html

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Vaccine_Genocide.html

I just don’t take Al-Qaeda seriously. Zawahiri might have a degree but the members of Al-Qaeda are a bunch of skinny weak malnourished UN-educated losers that can’t read, write, and don’t even know how to shoot a gun with proper form in dirty sheets, wearing sandals, and going cave to cave. Everything we are told about them is government bullshit.

There isn't a single picture or video of a plane striking the pentagon. Yet I'm supposed to believe it without question because my government says so? I’ve seen nothing but documentaries. I’m not going to go through every single site looking for stuff that the documentaries I watched used. I'm just saying ask questions and I will keep on asking.

My point was that just because the government says it doesn’t mean that that’s what happened. I used the "9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth” video to prove that there are experienced and well educated architects and engineers that dispute the findings by the 911 commission and National Institute of Standards and Technology. It can’t be called a fact if it can be disputed. That was the point I was trying to make.

I don’t want the government presenting theories, I want facts!
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Posted: 5/21/2012 12:06:32 AM
"I just don’t take Al-Qaeda seriously"



August 1998: A van packed with explosives blows up outside the US embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 219 people, and it is followed minutes later by an explosion at the sister embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, causing a further 12 deaths. About 5,000 people are injured in the two blasts.

October 2000: Seventeen American sailors die and 39 are injured when suicide bombers steer a boat packed with explosives into the USS Cole in Yemen, blowing a 40sq ft hole in the ship’s hull. Al-Qaeda later claims responsibility.

September 2001: Four aeroplanes are hijacked by men believed to be working for al-Qaeda. Two are flown into the World Trade Center in New York and one hits the Pentagon in Washington, while the fourth is brought down in a field in Pennsylvania. 3,000 people are killed in the attacks, the worst ever on American soil.

December 2001: Richard Reid, later dubbed the “shoe bomber”, is restrained by fellow passengers as he tries to ignite explosives concealed in his shoes while on board a flight from Paris to Miami. In court the Briton declares his loyalty to Bin Laden. He is jailed for life.

October 2002: Two bombs explode in a busy nightclub area on the Indonesian island of Bali, killing 202 people, including 28 Britons. The south east Asian terror group Jemaah Islamiyah, which has been linked to al-Qaeda, was blamed for the attacks.
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"I just don’t take Al-Qaeda seriously"


March 2004: A series of bombs is detonated on four commuter trains in Madrid, killing more than 200 people and wounding 1,500. It is claimed that the attacks were carried out by a terrorist cell inspired by al-Qaeda.

March 2004: Police make a wave of arrests in Operation Crevice, amid reports that Pakistani terrorists are operating in southern England. Five men are later found guilty of plotting to blow up the Bluewater shopping centre and Ministry of Sound nightclub with fertiliser bombs.

August 2004: Dhiren Barot, a British Muslim, is arrested and accused of plotting a series of coordinated terrorist attacks in this country and abroad, including one which was to involve a radioactive “dirty bomb”. He becomes the first Muslim accused of plotting explosions in this country to plead guilty.

July 2005: Bombs on three underground trains and a double decker bus in London on July 7 claim 52 lives, injuring 700 more. Weeks later on July 21, a similar plot is foiled when explosives in rucksacks carried onto underground trains and buses by four men fail to detonate.

August 2006: British police make a series of arrests to prevent the planned bombing of at least seven trans-Atlantic airliners destined for cities across the US and Canada. Eight men are given life sentences.

August 2007: Al Qaida are linked to the deaths of 400 Yazidis - an ancient muslim sect regarded as infidels by extremists - killed in bombings in the Sinjar area of Iraq.

March 2009: Police arrest an al-Qaeda cell of Pakistani students in Manchester who were plotting a bomb attack on shoppers in Manchester. It later emerged the plan was part of a wider series of coordinated attacks in New York and Scandinavia.

October 2009: At least 155 victims die when al Qaida carries out a double suicide bombing in Baghdad. Two months later the group is linked to a series of car bombs in the centre of Baghdad which kill at least 127 people.

December 2009: Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, a Nigerian graduate, tries to blow up an aeroplane. Wearing explosives in his underwear he sets himself alight in a packed Airbus approaching Detroit, in an attack orchestrated by al Qaeda in Yemen.


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QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

Kaponofor3,

Pilots For 9/11 Truth Co-Founder Rob Balsamo along with Core Members Captain Rusty Aimer and Dwain Deets were recently invited by Gov. Jesse Ventura to discuss and attempt to recreate the attack on the Pentagon for the latest investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. Unlike outdated simulator recreations offered by others, this attempt is based on the actual data being provided through the Freedom of Information Act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNMakBEECqA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.physics911.net/omholt

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_hijack_impossible.html

http://www.voltairenet.org/Surprising-number-of-passengers-on

http://www.infowars.com/poison-tap-water/

http://www.naturalnews.com/008511.html

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Vaccine_Genocide.html

I just don’t take Al-Qaeda seriously. Zawahiri might have a degree but the members of Al-Qaeda are a bunch of skinny weak malnourished UN-educated losers that can’t read, write, and don’t even know how to shoot a gun with proper form in dirty sheets, wearing sandals, and going cave to cave. Everything we are told about them is government bullshit.

There isn't a single picture or video of a plane striking the pentagon. Yet I'm supposed to believe it without question because my government says so? I’ve seen nothing but documentaries. I’m not going to go through every single site looking for stuff that the documentaries I watched used. I'm just saying ask questions and I will keep on asking.

My point was that just because the government says it doesn’t mean that that’s what happened. I used the "9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth” video to prove that there are experienced and well educated architects and engineers that dispute the findings by the 911 commission and National Institute of Standards and Technology. It can’t be called a fact if it can be disputed. That was the point I was trying to make.

I don’t want the government presenting theories, I want facts!
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Videos that count.

move slide to approx 16 minutes

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transcript of that section


And it is my first duty as President to protect the American people.

The situation in Afghanistan demonstrates America's goals, and our need to work together. Over seven years ago, the United States pursued al Qaeda and the Taliban with broad international support. We did not go by choice, we went because of necessity. I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11. But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet Al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.
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yes, lets be clear

1.And it is my first duty as President to protect the American people.


2.  9/11. But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day.


3.These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.






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Posted: 5/21/2012 12:47:59 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

Kaponofor3,

Pilots For 9/11 Truth Co-Founder Rob Balsamo along with Core Members Captain Rusty Aimer and Dwain Deets were recently invited by Gov. Jesse Ventura to discuss and attempt to recreate the attack on the Pentagon for the latest investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. Unlike outdated simulator recreations offered by others, this attempt is based on the actual data being provided through the Freedom of Information Act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNMakBEECqA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.physics911.net/omholt

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_hijack_impossible.html

http://www.voltairenet.org/Surprising-number-of-passengers-on

http://www.infowars.com/poison-tap-water/

http://www.naturalnews.com/008511.html

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Vaccine_Genocide.html

I just don’t take Al-Qaeda seriously. Zawahiri might have a degree but the members of Al-Qaeda are a bunch of skinny weak malnourished UN-educated losers that can’t read, write, and don’t even know how to shoot a gun with proper form in dirty sheets, wearing sandals, and going cave to cave. Everything we are told about them is government bullshit.

There isn't a single picture or video of a plane striking the pentagon. Yet I'm supposed to believe it without question because my government says so? I’ve seen nothing but documentaries. I’m not going to go through every single site looking for stuff that the documentaries I watched used. I'm just saying ask questions and I will keep on asking.

My point was that just because the government says it doesn’t mean that that’s what happened. I used the "9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth” video to prove that there are experienced and well educated architects and engineers that dispute the findings by the 911 commission and National Institute of Standards and Technology. It can’t be called a fact if it can be disputed. That was the point I was trying to make.

I don’t want the government presenting theories, I want facts!
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Posted: 5/21/2012 12:48:00 AM
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Obama speaks to BBC Persian , immediately at the beginning of the interview

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 the President says  that it is "hateful" and "offensive" to say the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks.


Yes is is truly hateful and offensive
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darn Obama and his government bullshit!

Al-Qaeda are a bunch of skinny weak malnourished UN-educated, bomb making cowards that don’t even know how to shoot a gun with proper form in dirty sheets, wearing sandals, and going cave to cave.

I have ZERO fear of Al-Qaeda! NONE!

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QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

darn Obama and his government bullshit!

Al-Qaeda are a bunch of skinny weak malnourished UN-educated, bomb making cowards that don’t even know how to shoot a gun with proper form in dirty sheets, wearing sandals, and going cave to cave.

I have ZERO fear of Al-Qaeda! NONE!




August 1998: A van packed with explosives blows up outside the US embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 219 people, and it is followed minutes later by an explosion at the sister embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, causing a further 12 deaths. About 5,000 people are injured in the two blasts.

October 2000: Seventeen American sailors die and 39 are injured when suicide bombers steer a boat packed with explosives into the USS Cole in Yemen, blowing a 40sq ft hole in the ship’s hull. Al-Qaeda later claims responsibility.

September 2001: Four aeroplanes are hijacked by men believed to be working for al-Qaeda. Two are flown into the World Trade Center in New York and one hits the Pentagon in Washington, while the fourth is brought down in a field in Pennsylvania. 3,000 people are killed in the attacks, the worst ever on American soil.

December 2001: Richard Reid, later dubbed the “shoe bomber”, is restrained by fellow passengers as he tries to ignite explosives concealed in his shoes while on board a flight from Paris to Miami. In court the Briton declares his loyalty to Bin Laden. He is jailed for life.

October 2002: Two bombs explode in a busy nightclub area on the Indonesian island of Bali, killing 202 people, including 28 Britons. The south east Asian terror group Jemaah Islamiyah, which has been linked to al-Qaeda, was blamed for the attacks.

March 2004: A series of bombs is detonated on four commuter trains in Madrid, killing more than 200 people and wounding 1,500. It is claimed that the attacks were carried out by a terrorist cell inspired by al-Qaeda.

March 2004: Police make a wave of arrests in Operation Crevice, amid reports that Pakistani terrorists are operating in southern England. Five men are later found guilty of plotting to blow up the Bluewater shopping centre and Ministry of Sound nightclub with fertiliser bombs.

August 2004: Dhiren Barot, a British Muslim, is arrested and accused of plotting a series of coordinated terrorist attacks in this country and abroad, including one which was to involve a radioactive “dirty bomb”. He becomes the first Muslim accused of plotting explosions in this country to plead guilty.

July 2005: Bombs on three underground trains and a double decker bus in London on July 7 claim 52 lives, injuring 700 more. Weeks later on July 21, a similar plot is foiled when explosives in rucksacks carried onto underground trains and buses by four men fail to detonate.

August 2006: British police make a series of arrests to prevent the planned bombing of at least seven trans-Atlantic airliners destined for cities across the US and Canada. Eight men are given life sentences.

August 2007: Al Qaida are linked to the deaths of 400 Yazidis - an ancient muslim sect regarded as infidels by extremists - killed in bombings in the Sinjar area of Iraq.

March 2009: Police arrest an al-Qaeda cell of Pakistani students in Manchester who were plotting a bomb attack on shoppers in Manchester. It later emerged the plan was part of a wider series of coordinated attacks in New York and Scandinavia.

October 2009: At least 155 victims die when al Qaida carries out a double suicide bombing in Baghdad. Two months later the group is linked to a series of car bombs in the centre of Baghdad which kill at least 127 people.

December 2009: Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, a Nigerian graduate, tries to blow up an aeroplane. Wearing explosives in his underwear he sets himself alight in a packed Airbus approaching Detroit, in an attack orchestrated by al Qaeda in Yemen.




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Posted: 5/21/2012 12:57:05 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

Kaponofor3,

Pilots For 9/11 Truth Co-Founder Rob Balsamo along with Core Members Captain Rusty Aimer and Dwain Deets were recently invited by Gov. Jesse Ventura to discuss and attempt to recreate the attack on the Pentagon for the latest investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. Unlike outdated simulator recreations offered by others, this attempt is based on the actual data being provided through the Freedom of Information Act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNMakBEECqA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.physics911.net/omholt

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_hijack_impossible.html

http://www.voltairenet.org/Surprising-number-of-passengers-on

http://www.infowars.com/poison-tap-water/

http://www.naturalnews.com/008511.html

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Vaccine_Genocide.html

I just don’t take Al-Qaeda seriously. Zawahiri might have a degree but the members of Al-Qaeda are a bunch of skinny weak malnourished UN-educated losers that can’t read, write, and don’t even know how to shoot a gun with proper form in dirty sheets, wearing sandals, and going cave to cave. Everything we are told about them is government bullshit.

There isn't a single picture or video of a plane striking the pentagon. Yet I'm supposed to believe it without question because my government says so? I’ve seen nothing but documentaries. I’m not going to go through every single site looking for stuff that the documentaries I watched used. I'm just saying ask questions and I will keep on asking.

My point was that just because the government says it doesn’t mean that that’s what happened. I used the "9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth” video to prove that there are experienced and well educated architects and engineers that dispute the findings by the 911 commission and National Institute of Standards and Technology. It can’t be called a fact if it can be disputed. That was the point I was trying to make.

I don’t want the government presenting theories, I want facts!
Obama, Ignoring the American people and callously ignoring the 911 families is offensive.

WHERE ARE THE TAPES OF A PLANE STRIKING THE PENTAGON OBAMA?

It can’t be called a fact if it can be disputed OBAMA!

I don’t want the government presenting theories, I want facts! OBAMA!

Why can’t you answer the questions of the 911 families Obama!

“The truth is found when men are free to pursue it.”
~ Franklin D. Roosevelt

“The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.”
~ James Madison

“Government of the people, by the people, for the people.”
~ Abraham Lincoln

“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to ... remain silent.”
~ Thomas Jefferson

"In free governments the rulers are the servants and the people their superiors and sovereigns. The ultimate powers in a society, therefore, rest in the people themselves, and they should exercise those powers, either directly or through representatives, in every way they are competent and that is practicable. It is the people, to whom all authority belongs.”
~ Thomas Jefferson

Real fuckin presidents!

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1.And it is my first duty as President to protect the American people.


2.  9/11. But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day.


3.These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.
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Bill Clinton   Democrat

Former President Bill Clinton responded aggressively  when his speech at a fundraiser for his wife's campaign was interrupted by 9/11 conspiracy protesters.

"A fraud? No, it wasn't a fraud," Clinton said, responding to one of the hecklers as the audience cheered. "I'll be glad to talk to you if you shut up and let me talk." Another protester yelled that the attacks were an "inside job."

"An inside job? How dare you. How dare you. It was not an inside job," Clinton said. "You guys have got to be careful, you're going to give Minnesota a bad reputation."


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9/11 happened on the watch of George Bush- Republican


 


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Posted: 5/21/2012 1:11:42 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

Kaponofor3,

Pilots For 9/11 Truth Co-Founder Rob Balsamo along with Core Members Captain Rusty Aimer and Dwain Deets were recently invited by Gov. Jesse Ventura to discuss and attempt to recreate the attack on the Pentagon for the latest investigation into the events of September 11, 2001. Unlike outdated simulator recreations offered by others, this attempt is based on the actual data being provided through the Freedom of Information Act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNMakBEECqA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.physics911.net/omholt

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_hijack_impossible.html

http://www.voltairenet.org/Surprising-number-of-passengers-on

http://www.infowars.com/poison-tap-water/

http://www.naturalnews.com/008511.html

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Vaccine_Genocide.html

I just don’t take Al-Qaeda seriously. Zawahiri might have a degree but the members of Al-Qaeda are a bunch of skinny weak malnourished UN-educated losers that can’t read, write, and don’t even know how to shoot a gun with proper form in dirty sheets, wearing sandals, and going cave to cave. Everything we are told about them is government bullshit.

There isn't a single picture or video of a plane striking the pentagon. Yet I'm supposed to believe it without question because my government says so? I’ve seen nothing but documentaries. I’m not going to go through every single site looking for stuff that the documentaries I watched used. I'm just saying ask questions and I will keep on asking.

My point was that just because the government says it doesn’t mean that that’s what happened. I used the "9/11: Blueprint For Truth architects and engineers for 911 truth” video to prove that there are experienced and well educated architects and engineers that dispute the findings by the 911 commission and National Institute of Standards and Technology. It can’t be called a fact if it can be disputed. That was the point I was trying to make.

I don’t want the government presenting theories, I want facts!


There is simply no comparison
NIST conducted

an extremely thorough three-year investigation that included consideration of a number of hypotheses for the collapses of the WTC towers.

Some 200 technical experts

—including about 85 career NIST experts

and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia

—reviewed tens of thousands of documents,

interviewed more than 1,000 people,

reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage

and 7,000 photographs,

analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage

, performed laboratory tests,

and created sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.



you fail to understand this
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please provide a a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers , citing a controlled demolition.


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Tony Blair knew immediately that 9/11 terror attacks 'changed everything'


Tony Blair became "very steely, very focused" immediately after the September 11 attacks, his former chief of staff said .


After the second plane crashed into the twin towers, he knew it was a terrorist attack.

Downing Street was unable to contact President Bush until the day after the terrorists struck.

Bush was "a very shaken man", he said. "He wasn't sure what to do. His voice was quavering. He was in a state almost of shock."
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KP3 and BMA....it's hopeless.  Money has admitted that he doesn't believe anything the government has to say.  Which clearly shows he's mistaken because the government doesn't lie to us 100% of the time. Just because there was Watergate, 9/11 has to be an inside job.  Just because there was discussion of Operations Northwoods, the government killed JFK.  

People like him are incapable of evaluating events individually based on evidence and objective information.  For some, it's paranoia.  For some, it's ignorance.  For some, it's a matter of laziness.  For some, it just works out best for them mentally to just shove everything into one corner....makes life more simple for them. There is no debate.  There is no constructive discussion.  It's a schema that works for them and impossible to ever overcome.

I think we should just feel sorry for them and move on.  

 
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QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

KP3 and BMA....it's hopeless.  Money has admitted that he doesn't believe anything the government has to say.  Which clearly shows he's mistaken because the government doesn't lie to us 100% of the time. Just because there was Watergate, 9/11 has to be an inside job.  Just because there was discussion of Operations Northwoods, the government killed JFK.  

People like him are incapable of evaluating events individually based on evidence and objective information.  For some, it's paranoia.  For some, it's ignorance.  For some, it's a matter of laziness.  For some, it just works out best for them mentally to just shove everything into one corner....makes life more simple for them. There is no debate.  There is no constructive discussion.  It's a schema that works for them and impossible to ever overcome.

I think we should just feel sorry for them and move on.  

 




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Why have there been reports of the hijackers having aliases and 6 of the hijackers being ALIVE! When the FBI was asked about it by the 911 families…the FBI said I have no answer for you?

Why was a cell phone call reported to have taken place on flight 77 when computer science and the FBI says that call never happened and was impossible to have ever happened?

What are the odds of 75 percent of the passengers having military credentials?

Absent from the public record are photographs or videos of anything like a 757 approaching the Pentagon. WHY?

The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack, Videos Outside the Pentagon Seized Lawsuits to Obtain Videos. Why doesn’t the government release all the videos that we know exist via the freedom of information act?

Why were NO black boxes ever found but small pieces of bone were found?

Why were NO fighter jets escorting all of the planes?

The omission of the fact that the steel from the WTC buildings was quickly removed from the crime scene and shipped overseas before it could be analyzed for evidence of explosives. Why was all the evidence destroyed in a week and who destroys a crime scene?

Hani Hanjour was, by several accounts, a terrible pilot, and had never even flown a jet. In contrast, the approach maneuver performed by the Pentagon attack plane was so demanding that it might have been beyond the piloting skill of even the most experienced jetliner pilots. How come NO one questioned this?

Why was Capt. Burlingame, a retired Military Officer with training in anti-terrorism, reported to have given up his airplane to a skinny small malnourished nothing Hani Hanjour holding a "boxcutter"?

Analysis of the Twin towers eyewitness accounts suggests that some saw, American airlines plane crash and some saw a plane with no windows that looked like a military plane. The 911 commission said the first one is automatically true and the second false. Why was the first one chosen and the second so easily dismissed?

Analysis of the Pentagon Attack Eyewitness Accounts suggests that some saw a passenger airliner and some saw a saw a small corporate jet. All the 911 commission said the first one is automatically true and the second false. Why was the first one chosen and the second so easily dismissed?

Why do the publicly released flight manifests contain no Arab names?

Why do 911 families claim that the 911 Commission had a conflict of interest and say they are disgusted with government resistance to their answers?

Why did President Bush and Vice President Cheney did ultimately agree to testify under several conditions:
They would be allowed to testify jointly. They would not be required to take an oath before testifying. The testimony would not be recorded electronically or transcribed, and that the only record would be notes taken by one of the commission staffers. These notes would not be made public? Why?

The two co-chairs of the 911 Commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, believe that the government established the Commission in a way that ensured that it would fail. The continuing resistance and opposition to the work of the Commission by many politicians, particularly those who did not wish to be blamed for any of what happened; the deception of the Commission by various key government agencies, including the Department of Defense, NORAD and the FAA; and, the denial of access by various agencies to documents and witnesses. "So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail."

The NIST had an operating budget for fiscal year 2007 (October 1, 2006-September 30, 2007) of about $843.3 million. NIST's 2009 budget was $992 million, but it also received $610 million as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The United States government funds the National Institute of Standards and Technology. The United States government paid to have an investigation conducted on them selves by an agency owned and funded by the United States government. Why wasn’t an independent investigation used?

Why do hundreds of physicists, scientists, engineers, architects, police officers, firefighters, medical professionals, and military officers, veterans and the 911 family members disagree and dispute the 911-commission report and the National Institute of Standards and Technology? If what the government says is fact…how can facts be disputed by these people? You can’t dispute fact but for some reason these people seem to?

It can’t be called a fact if it can be disputed OBAMA!

I don’t want the government presenting theories, I want facts! OBAMA!

Why can’t you answer the questions of the 911 families Obama!

False flag events are ubiquitous throughout history...

The 1933 reichstag fire false flag
Operation Northwoods then…
The false flag Gulf of Tonkin Incident Vietnam
World Trade Center and pentagon 2001

“The truth is found when men are free to pursue it.”
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"Question everything. Every stripe, every star, every word spoken. Everything."
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“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”
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“The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.”
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“Government of the people, by the people, for the people.”
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“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to ... remain silent.”
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Viking812 these fuckin dumbasses will never get it. It’s hopeless. Check Mate!
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SRH -- just because there have been false flag operations in the past doesn't automatically mean that 9/11 was a false flag operation, do you agree?
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