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Posted: 11/16/2012 2:10:13 PM
Move over yankees.....its our time
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Posted: 11/16/2012 6:05:19 PM
The Jays will win the AL East imo, and have a shot at the whole thing.

Yankees showed in these playoffs that they cant win this with this core group anymore.

Red Sox are a mess as an organization, recovery time.

Orioles just dont have enough talent, showalter can only carry them so far.

The Rays should be their only concern, decent rotation and a manager who knows how to win.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:59:53 AM

Jays have a chance at winning the whole thing???? ahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahaha, where do you people come from. If it was that easy to win a world series.....lol. you guys are senile. Jays will be no where near a world series, they will be lucky to crack 80 wins.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 7:04:30 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EastOakland:

Jays have a chance at winning the whole thing???? ahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahaha, where do you people come from. If it was that easy to win a world series.....lol. you guys are senile. Jays will be no where near a world series, they will be lucky to crack 80 wins.



Interesting....Every book now has the Blue Jays and the Texas Rangers as the favorite to win the American League, and they are also tied for 2nd in odds to win the entire thing (right behind cincinnati). Just shows what type of an idiot you really are....unless ofcourse all the analysts and books are wrong, u get it but they dont, right? Dumb ****....
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Posted: 11/20/2012 12:47:37 PM

I dont give a garbage what the books think you fuckin bafoon they had the Giants as dogs the entire world series!! ahhahahahahahah. GO back and look at the favorites for the past 3 years.....they are trying to trick you into putting money on the Jays. Marlins were also heavy favorites last year to win it all. I guess you dont remember that far back.

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Posted: 11/20/2012 1:13:19 PM
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Posted: 11/20/2012 8:14:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EastOakland:

Jays have a chance at winning the whole thing???? ahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahaha, where do you people come from. If it was that easy to win a world series.....lol. you guys are senile. Jays will be no where near a world series, they will be lucky to crack 80 wins.


you're delusional. This moves don't guarantee anything, but they have probably the best rotation and deepest lineup in the AL. To say they won't crack 80 wins is absurd. 
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:48:41 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EastOakland:

Jays have a chance at winning the whole thing???? ahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahaha, where do you people come from. If it was that easy to win a world series.....lol. you guys are senile. Jays will be no where near a world series, they will be lucky to crack 80 wins.

Pretty sure I'll trust the books over this bafoon.

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Posted: 11/22/2012 1:16:04 AM
Okay, trust the books. That sounds like someone who hasn't been gambling for very long. End of discussion.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 6:58:19 AM
Love this signing! :D Can't help but think Melky should have commanded quite a bit more than $8M/year if not for his suspension last year. But at this rate, all he needs to do is be an average LF and he'll have earned his contract! :)
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Posted: 11/22/2012 9:29:50 AM

Wonder how he does drug free?

Giants were THIS CLOSE to signing him to a 4-yr $48 mil deal.......

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Posted: 11/22/2012 10:47:59 AM
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Originally Posted by EastOakland:

Okay, trust the books. That sounds like someone who hasn't been gambling for very long. End of discussion.

And you think JP Ricciardi is still the GM of the Jays.

Shows you really arent as smart as you think you are.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 4:37:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EastOakland:

Jays have a chance at winning the whole thing???? ahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahaha, where do you people come from. If it was that easy to win a world series.....lol. you guys are senile. Jays will be no where near a world series, they will be lucky to crack 80 wins.


Eh jackass where in my comment did it say we're going to win it all? Read before you open your mouth.

To the rest of the positive jays supporters here  To a better year
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Posted: 11/24/2012 6:14:46 AM

With all due respect EastOakland, I think you are undermining the Blue Jays, even from a before the trade standpoint. Sure the Jays only won 70% games last year but figure in this:

1. At one point 3 of are 5 starting pitchers were all injured at once (Morrow, Drabek, Hutchenson). Keep in mind, our bullpen was just as banged up. Our #1 relief pitcher Sergio Santos missed the season after only 3 starts and our other relief pitchers (Frasor, Luis Perez) had their seasons cut short as well. Keep it mind the Jays significantly upgraded their bullpen last September when they aquired a power arm in Steve Delobar from Seattle in a trade for Eric Thames, and added a reliable control pitcher in Brad Lincoln from Pirates, aquired in a trade for Travis Snider.

2. Our skilled position players were just as banged up. For a spand of about 2 months (longer for some players), were missing Bret Lawrie, Jose Bautista, JP Arencebia, & Adam Lind ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

3. Blue Jays were right in the hunt for the AL East crown leading into the allstar break entering the All Star Break, and went down all at once just as your A's team was getting hot.

4. Jays STILL got 70 wins in the hardest division in baseball, even playing with a lineup made up of 50%  AAA Las Vegas players for the better part of the second half of the season, and a week to week shuffled up starting rotation for practically the entire year.

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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:57:15 AM
I completely understand you guys were banged up, but at the same time you can't make that arguement because injuries will always happen. The Giants won the world series in 2010 and everyone was injured. Even this year they lost their closer and their Ace didn't perform at all, but other players stepped up. Then they lost Melky Cabrera, but other players stepped up. If you have chemistry and a good coach you will find ways to win with the players you have. Other players will step up from the minor leagues depending on how good your farm system is and your coaches are. At the same time you are making this arguement you have to realize, what if a couple of these players go down...then what? We will just blame another 75 win season on injuries. I mean, I understand where you are comming from but the same thing can happen this year. They are still in a league where the Yankees will be good, the Rays will have a healthy Longoria back, and to me the best team in the division the Orioles.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 11:46:42 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by steelwill43:


you're delusional. This moves don't guarantee anything, but they have probably the best rotation and deepest lineup in the AL. To say they won't crack 80 wins is absurd. 


Jays pitching rotation no where close to the Rays. You guys need to quit with this crap.

Price better than anyone on the Jays staff. Shields and Morrow about equal. JJ better than #3 on the Rays. #4 and #5 the Rays have better than Buerhle and whoever Romero, etc.

Time to break this down for Jays fans since they are in this fantasy land where they believe their team is the best thing since sliced bread.

Reyes is a great leadoff hitter. Average defensively (Esco is better defensively). He had one ridiculous year while the rest of his career he has been above average offensively (107 career OPS+ with a 144 posted in 2011). He relies on his legs and speed as a big part of his offensive game and stealing bases and he is turning 30. He is signed for 5 more years and turf has shown to not be great in the aging of a player of Reyes' profile. He is probably going to provide about 15-22 WAR over the remaining years on his contract.

Josh Johnson - only signed for 1 year then FA. I fully believe he tests the market and doesnt sign an extension with the Jays without testing the FA market. He has experienced shoulder injuries during his career and those types of injuries are death sentences for pitchers. His next contract he will look to cash in since it could potentially be his last contract of his career. HE is a top tier pitcher when healthy but is he healthy? Also AL East has not been kind to pitchers from the NL East.

Buerhle - Is 34 this year and going to the AL East. He doesnt have overpowering stuff but is a lefty who has been around and had success. He will stabilize the back end of the rotation and will give the team 200 innings. The question is how well he will perform.  HIs K/9 fairly low for a SP and his HR% is not great which does not bode well as his GB% has fallen in each of hte last 4 years and now he goes to a division that has some of the best offensive parks in teh game with the strongest lineups.

Melky - HGH son. Nuff said. Melky last 2 seasons are outliers and everyone knows why. Take away his last 2 seasons and his career WAR (11.3 - 8.8 = 2.5). So he has amassed 2.5 WAR over the course of 5 seasons or about 0.5 WAR a year which is barely above a replacement bench player.

Edwin - One year lets see it happen again.

JBats - Wrist injuries are very difficult to come back from for a power hitter especially. Look at David Ortiz it took him a couple season to fully recover from his problems.

Bonafacio - Love his ability to play a bunch of positions and his speed but his offensive capabilities are well below average OPS+ 81.

The Jays did get better by a substantial margin but they are not some cant miss destroying squad. They will have their issues just like the Marlins had their issues last season. What if all the guys you just acquired play like they did for the Marlins. What if they play like their career lines indicate to go along with the normal bell curve of decline after age 31. The strengthened their ball club but they didnt catapult themselves to the greatest team in the league or their division.

News flash... The Angels had a much better team (more talented, better position players, better pitching and bullpen) last year. The Angels got nowhere last year with the best rookie in the game and the best position player other than Miggy.

The Yankees are right there again. The Rays are right there again. The Orioles will regress somewhat but will still be a competitive team. The Jays are right there with all of them. They are not going to run away with teh division and be untouchable like a lot of Jays fans are implicating. Every team, minus the Red Sox, will be a good ball club next season. Its not like the rest of the division is going to fall off just because the Jays are going to be better this year.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 2:51:14 AM
Long story short, they are the new Marlins.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 7:32:35 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EastOakland:

Long story short, they are the new Marlins.


Its going to be a joy bumping this thread during the season, when the jays bust everyones *** in the AL east, and you get exposed for your lack of rationality.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 11:43:51 PM
It will be even better when they dont make the playoffs and I win money on the under 88 wins. Laughing to the bank. I hope they do good, a new team winning the AL east will be great, but it won't happen.
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Posted: 12/4/2012 10:04:32 AM
I think Johnson and Buehrle have very bad years in the AL.  Jose Reyes is a HORRIBLE shortstop and a HORRIBLE teammate.  He made a fool of himself in the field last year. This team should make the playoffs, but probably won't...
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Posted: 12/5/2012 6:38:40 PM
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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:49:16 PM
I tell you one thing....The Jays can hit the ball. Melky will have a good season. 
I could see the Jays winning 86-90 games and maybe pull out a wild-card. 
Once you're in the playoffs anything can happen
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Posted: 12/8/2012 12:05:46 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by LockBurger:

I think Johnson and Buehrle have very bad years in the AL.  Jose Reyes is a HORRIBLE shortstop and a HORRIBLE teammate.  He made a fool of himself in the field last year. This team should make the playoffs, but probably won't...


Johnson is a stud and hes finally fully healthy, I strongly disagree about him having a bad year. Buehrle is a possibility tho...
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