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Posted: 1/26/2012 12:25:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by don juan:

Do you know how many times that you said the word. I  ?    

7, You are a typical repulsican.


I was talking about personal beliefs. 

It must be foreign .  The idea of PERSONAL BELIEFS.  That is when someone thinks, and forms opinions of their own. 

It is common that this would be strange to a person with a addled Hive mind that can only talk in the greater  "WE".  

I have beliefs,   you have a group that thinks for you.  

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Posted: 1/26/2012 12:32:27 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

I understand the need to adhere to laws of war, but believe that American laws should supersede international law.  First and foremost they have violated US law.  
 


Maybe so, but does that mean that there should be no repercussions for violations of international law? 

Let me reiterate: ...domestic issues have ZERO importance when it comes to repercussions for actions taken on an international stage

Period.

It's a different discussion entirely 
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Posted: 1/26/2012 12:38:28 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

Laws are nothing if there is no enforcement mechanism for those laws. As the always wise Dave Chappelle said when he was playing the character of Black Bush: "Go ahead United Nations, sanction me. Sanction me with your army. Oh, wait a second! You don't have an army! I guess that means you need to shut the **** up!" International laws have no real enforcement mechanisms if the parties who agreed to those laws are unwilling to enforce their edicts with force.

In a sense, this is exactly what I'm saying.

On the one hand GWB invaded Iraq with the justification of the Iraqi Regime violating basic human rights, and on the other hand you have the GWB administration committing human rights violations of their own.

They are policing the world and enforcing laws on some people, but not holding themselves up to the exact same standards.

Again, all that we're asking for is equality under the law.

btw - props for bringing Chapelle into the conversation in a meaningful way. Directly related to the topic at hand... golden 
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Posted: 1/26/2012 12:41:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by DiscoD69:


Maybe so, but does that mean that there should be no repercussions for violations of international law? 

Let me reiterate: ...domestic issues have ZERO importance when it comes to repercussions for actions taken on an international stage

Period.

**Domestic consequences are** a different discussion entirely 

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Ideally our domestic government would be accountable, and work within the laws that have been set forth.  
Because they do not this leads the way for international scrutiny.  

Even though we are guilty of international transgressions,  I do not see the UN as any authority that has any room to talk with their past transgressions they lead the way in corruption, not to mention the fact that they are utterly toothless without U.S. Support. 

If Iraq, or Afghanistan were to bring GWB or Obama up on charges I would have mixed feelings.  On one hand it is important for them to protect their sovereignty, on the other.  Good luck getting either one of those guys within your borders so you can detain them. It would only be a trial in public opinion, and pretty much without consequence.  

Read this,,

Russell Tribunal. 
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Posted: 1/26/2012 5:05:26 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

 


Even though we are guilty of international transgressions,  I do not see the UN as any authority that has any room to talk with their past transgressions they lead the way in corruption, not to mention the fact that they are utterly toothless without U.S. Support. 

If Iraq, or Afghanistan were to bring GWB or Obama up on charges I would have mixed feelings.  On one hand it is important for them to protect their sovereignty, on the other.  Good luck getting either one of those guys within your borders so you can detain them. It would only be a trial in public opinion, and pretty much without consequence.  


It's not about Iraq or Afghanistan charging them (although they prob would if they could), it's about Western nations, and everybody that cares about democracy holding politicians to account. 

Think the Hague or the ICC. For example, why is it ok to send out "most wanted" lists with members of the Ghadafi regime to appear before the ICC? A collection of 'like minded' nations, generally sharing the same values, say "'so and so' has occurred and is illegal, hence 'person X' should be brought before the ICC." What I'm saying is, we should apply the exact same standards for illegal actions and human rights violations perpetrated by ANY government.

For obvious reasons, certain people have gotten a free pass. I'm saying flat out that this is wrong. Politicians need to be held accountable, otherwise nothing will ever change.

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