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#1 Posted: 3/23/2012 11:53:34 AM
In California and Illinois,Hispanics shoot African-Americans almost on a daily basis,yet we hear nothing of these shootings.Is it more than a coincidence that these two states are Democratic landslides the reason for the silence?
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#2 Posted: 3/23/2012 12:32:03 PM
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#3 Posted: 3/23/2012 12:45:58 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by depeche2:
Because when they catch shooters, which often doesn't happen, but when they do, they actually arrest them instead of saying "oh, yeah, of course, self-defense". They don't have bullshit 'stand your ground' laws.
The stand your ground law is actually not a bad one. This case simply is which side has the most convincing hearsay. The real problem was this neighborhood watchman was carrying a gun. He has the right to do it but it isn't a good idea.
Please explain why it should be wrong for a person to defend themself! As the law is intended. |
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#4 Posted: 3/23/2012 6:06:41 PM
The problem I have is with the race baiting attention person. Al Sharpton shows up for this, Tawana Brawley, the Duke Lacrosse Team, the Jena 6. These are the ones off of the top of my head. In all these cases what is the common denominator?
I googled the number of murders against blacks. The first article that popped up just covered California. In 2009 239 blacks were murdered. This is 239 murders in one year in one state. Did Sharpton show up at all of these? And if he didn't, why didn't he? |
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#5 Posted: 3/23/2012 9:03:43 PM 
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#6 Posted: 3/23/2012 9:06:44 PM
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#7 Posted: 3/23/2012 9:17:12 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36: Its ironic that you would have a problem with race baiting attention person richie
So you don't see a problem when Rev Al shows up in some locations and not others?
I want him to show up everytime a black youth is killed. |
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#8 Posted: 3/23/2012 9:58:20 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
The stand your ground law is actually not a bad one. This case simply is which side has the most convincing hearsay. The real problem was this neighborhood watchman was carrying a gun. He has the right to do it but it isn't a good idea.
Please explain why it should be wrong for a person to defend themself! As the law is intended.
Why was a new law necessary? Self-defense is a defense in every city, county and state. Thew law simple gives idiots like Zimmerman cause to believe they can murder someone in 'self-defense'.
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#9 Posted: 3/23/2012 10:40:47 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by canovsp:
So you don't see a problem when Rev Al shows up in some locations and not others?
I want him to show up everytime a black youth is killed. This case would not have this type of attention, if the police would have simply done their job correctly after this incident happened. Rev. Al & others would not be there if those good policemen of Sanford,Florida had not botched this case, then try to cover their arses. 
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#10 Posted: 3/24/2012 1:57:53 PM If ANY of you really research this case, what has been reported, you will find gross mishandling by the police. I mean gross.
This case isn't race baiting, it's just awful. It's the police's conduct that is drawing the attention. |
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#11 Posted: 3/24/2012 2:06:17 PM
My guess is that Zimmerman had some marks on him>
A bloody nose, scratches on his arm, face, neck etc
Something that would indicate he was in a struggle and could claim he was in fear of his life.
Of course, if I am a 17 year old kid getting chased by an older guy with a gun that may be calling me names, at some point I might fight back, and that be how Zimmerman would get those marks.
If there are no marks and only the word of the shooter, it would be hard to believe that an arrest hasn't been made.
Let a judge figure out if the guy gets bail, and let a prosecutor convene a grand jury
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#12 Posted: 3/25/2012 8:57:47 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
The stand your ground law is actually not a bad one. This case simply is which side has the most convincing hearsay. The real problem was this neighborhood watchman was carrying a gun. He has the right to do it but it isn't a good idea.
Please explain why it should be wrong for a person to defend themself! As the law is intended.
did you listen to 911 recordings ?
when Zimmerman called 911, he confirmed that he was following the 17 year old boy
He was also instructed not to follow him
how is it self defense ?
according to 911 recordings, Zimmerman is the instigator . "stand your ground" does not apply in Trayvon's Case
who the hell does Zimmerman think he is to ask Trayvon's questions ?
Zimmerman was driving , Trayvon was walking
what's the self defense excuse ?
Trayvon chased him and jumped him ? 
according to Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. During an early
meeting with Trayvon’s father, a Sanford police investigator told him
Zimmerman described himself as being “squeaky clean.”
Zimmerman was charged with attacking a police officer, domestic assault and they believed him when he said he was “squeaky clean.” no drug test
no prosecutor was called to the scene of the homicide
Based on the "evidence" they gathered that night, police believed they did
not have enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman on a manslaughter charge
because of his account of what happened and claim of self-defense
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#13 Posted: 3/25/2012 9:14:33 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by canovsp:
So you don't see a problem when Rev Al shows up in some locations and not others?
I want him to show up everytime a black youth is killed.
first of all it's not about what you want
why should Al Sharpton show up every time a black youth is killed ?
if the Sanford police had done their jobs then
Al Sharpton and the protests would have been irrelevant
this is about a vigilante (with a record .. Zimmerman was charged with attacking a police officer, domestic assault) who called 911 to report a so-called "suspicious" individual, then was instructed not to follow the "suspicious individual".
then the "suspicious individual" was shot dead by the Zimmerman
did the police run any background check on Zimmerman ?
his self-defense claim was good enough
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#14 Posted: 3/25/2012 9:23:26 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329: Florida is turning into 1960's Alabama.
Really?
Did a bunch of hispanics shoot blacks back in 1960 in Alabama or are you just being stupid again? |
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#15 Posted: 3/25/2012 9:26:41 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by J_Galt:
I have to surmise that there is something the police know that the public doesn't
My guess is that Zimmerman had some marks on him>
A bloody nose, scratches on his arm, face, neck etc
Something that would indicate he was in a struggle and could claim he was in fear of his life.
Of course, if I am a 17 year old kid getting chased by an older guy with a gun that may be calling me names, at some point I might fight back, and that be how Zimmerman would get those marks.
If there are no marks and only the word of the shooter, it would be hard to believe that an arrest hasn't been made.
Let a judge figure out if the guy gets bail, and let a prosecutor convene a grand jury
Yes, this has already been reported in the news.
Zimmerman told police he acted in self-defense. Police found blood on his face and the back of his head as well as grass on the back of his shirt. That jibes with what Cheryl Brown's teenage son witnessed while walking his dog that night. Thirteen-year-old Austin stepped out his front door and heard people fighting, he told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday. "I heard screaming and crying for help," he said. "I heard, 'Help me.' " It was dark, and the boy did not see how the fight started, in fact, he only saw one person, a man in a red shirt — Zimmerman — who was on the ground. |
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#16 Posted: 3/25/2012 9:33:45 AM
You clearly have no idea what this law says or means.
Oh and to your silly assertion that there is "self defense" in "every city, county and state"
New York's self-defense law states that a person cannot use deadly force if the person can safely retreat. ============== But of course the lies you need to tell yourself in order to be a leftist are endless.
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#17 Posted: 3/25/2012 11:50:19 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by ilsp2003:
did you listen to 911 recordings ?
when Zimmerman called 911, he confirmed that he was following the 17 year old boy
He was also instructed not to follow him
how is it self defense ?
according to 911 recordings, Zimmerman is the instigator . "stand your ground" does not apply in Trayvon's Case
who the hell does Zimmerman think he is to ask Trayvon's questions ?
Zimmerman was driving , Trayvon was walking
what's the self defense excuse ?
Trayvon chased him and jumped him ?
according to Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. During an early meeting with Trayvon’s father, a Sanford police investigator told him Zimmerman described himself as being “squeaky clean.”
Zimmerman was charged with attacking a police officer, domestic assault and they believed him when he said he was “squeaky clean.” no drug test
no prosecutor was called to the scene of the homicide
Based on the "evidence" they gathered that night, police believed they did not have enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman on a manslaughter charge because of his account of what happened and claim of self-defense
Merely following him should not be construed as jumping him. You can follow somebody without getting into a fight.
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