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#76 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:42:45 AM - Anwar al-Alwaki has met his virgins
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#77 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:43:34 AM
Recruiting: The Arribat al-Islami Mosque in San Diego where
al-Awlaki met two of the 9/11 hijackers, Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf
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#78 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:44:20 AM Favourite haunt: The El Cajon Boulevard in San Diego was where the terrorist picked up prostitutes before being arrested |
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#79 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:45:28 AM
Dead: Samir Khan, a U.S. citizen was killed in the same CIA drone strike that eliminated al-Awlaki in Yemen
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#80 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:46:24 AM
At prayer: al-Awlaki was the first American on CIA's 'kill or capture'
list. He was born in New Mexico and spent much of his life living in the
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#81 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:47:34 AM
Terrorists: 9/11 hijackers Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were influenced by al-Awlaki n San Diego
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#82 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:52:43 AM |
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#84 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:57:05 AM The NIST( National Institute for Standards and Technology) report
records 104 "jumper" deaths, though the report says its tally is not
definitive,and that the number is probably higher. It contains a
clinical analysis of the precise time that people jumped and fell.
noting the floor and even the window they came out of.
JUMPERS
The NIST report took 10,000 pages to connsider in very fine detail just
how and why the buildings collapsed. The south tower was hit last but
collapsed first, at 09:59. The north tower remained standing for just
over 100 minutes before it fell at 10:28. Appendix M of that report,
Observation of Falling Human Beings for WTCl, logged 101 falls from the
north tower and the precise window and exact time at which each had
fallen.
The appendix was compiled by one person reviewing video footage and
still photographs. It is the only record in existence of those who
jumped or fell, and is presented as a table - a graphic display of the
building's upper floors and windows.
The first fall occurred just over four minutes after the first plane
hit, from the 149th window of the 93rd floor on the north face of the
building.
The cascade began seven minutes later, with 13 falls in two minutes. One
person had climbed out and got from the 93rd to the 92nd floor before
faIlling, one second after someone else had fallen from the same window -
window 215 on the east face of the tower. At 10:06:59, two people had
fallen togethher from the same window on the 95th floor;
simulltaneously, a third person fell from the next window, followed a
second later by two more people falling together. Altogether, in six
seconds nine people fell from five adjacent windows.
The last person fell just as the building colllapsed, at 10:28:09, from
the 106th floor. Richard Drew of AP must have photographed that person:
he told me he discovered later that he had two frames that showed
someone clinging to debris as they fell with the building.
Eyewitnesses have described people hugging or holding hands as they
fell in pairs. An FDNY photographer with a long lens saw someone"nudged
out" as he watched. He took half a dozen shots of people falling before
saying to himself "That's enough of that." Time and again. The hardened
firefighters and paramedics would say I had never seen anything like it.
Many looked away but others were transfixed. The landings, of course
were the worst. The fall was said to hanve taken about 10 seconds, but
would vary according to body position and the time taken to accelerate
to terminal velocity, typically 120 miles per hour. but up to 200 mph if
the person fell with their body straight pointing to the ground, as in a
head dive.
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#85 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:57:40 AM New York firefighters.
Had spoken of the “jumpers" who had
fallen about them as they had enteredthe North tower - the first tower
to be hit on their rescue mission. The sound of those bodies landing,
they said, like a thud or a dull exploosion, was terrible and
unforgettable.
In the days after 9/11, the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) had
conducted several hundred debriefing interviews with firefighters and
emerrgency service workers. These were made public much later following a
freedom of information request by The New York Times. In one or two
cases the interviewees were so traumatised by what they had seen they
could barely speak.
For many, it was the sight and soundofthe fallling bodies that had disturbed them more than anything else.
They described moving through a surreal landscape in a cloud of smoke
and dust, the sky full of fluttering paper and the ground littered with
smouldering debris and body parts. Above them it was - an often-repeated
phrase - raining bodies. "They were jumping now, one, two, three, four,
smashing like f***ing eggs on the ground," recalled an emergency
service lieutenant, Rene Davila. Someone near him suggested they should
collect names, keep a record. "I was like, you're f***ing out of your
mind."
"I felt like I was intruding on a sacrament," said one firefighter,
Maureen McArdle-Schulman. "They were choosing to die and I was watching
them and shouldn't have been, so me and another guy turned away and
looked at the wall, and we could still hear them hit."
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#86 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:58:13 AM Did they choose to die that way? Was it a real choice? What would anyone of us have done?
The choice, to jump or not to jump, must have been so agonisingly real
that the chief medical examiner Dr Charles Hirsch's denial that the "jumpers" existed seemed insulting.
In his version of events, nobody "jumped"; they were all victims of
homicide, and the vast majority of death certificates carry the same
wording: "Blunt tauma ... " Only 176 complete bodies were returned to
their families.
Borakove said Hirsch was acting out of sensitiivity for the bereaved
families, and out of respect for those who died - "the families are our
first priiority" - but I know there are some people who take comfort
from the idea that their lost partner or relative chose to jump and so
actively took charge of the manner of their dying. I suspect, too, that
for some the decision itself was an act of immense courage - albeit born
of desperation - and deserves to be remembered as such.
From the NIST study that, in about four cases, people got out of the
windows, 100 or more floors up, and began trying to climb up or down the
outtside of the building to imagined safety. Of course, they soon lost
their grip and fell.
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#87 Posted: 5/11/2012 4:00:51 AM
'Jumpers'
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#88 Posted: 5/11/2012 4:01:56 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by BMA:
'Jumpers'
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#89 Posted: 5/11/2012 4:18:15 AM regardless of dif opinions on the event or how it came about or responsibility ... you can tell "MOST" people on this site genuinely care about the end result of that day..its the single most horrible thing ever in our history... just aggravating all around |
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#90 Posted: 5/11/2012 7:25:59 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by BMA:
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#91 Posted: 5/12/2012 2:15:30 AM
The story of a 'Jumper'
Karen Juday RIP
Richard Percorella had searched high and low for a trace of his
beloved, Karen Juday, but it was not until Christmas Eve, 2001, that her
jawbone was found. He had the remains cremated, and scattered them off
the Verrazano- Narrows Bridge, which connects Staten Island to Brooklyn
- the first place in the city Karen had seen when they started their
lives together. Karen was a farm girl from Indiana, said Richard. And
she had courage. Richard believed she had jumped.
After the jawbone came another fragment, then another, and so
Richard signed a waiver allowing the medical examiner's office to
dispose of any further remains. He couldn't go on forever handling the
pieces of her.
When they met in 1997, Karen and Richard had both been married before.
Richard said he knew she was "the one". He worked at the trading house
Bear Steams, whose office on the Brooklyn side of the East River had a
clear view of the Twin Towers. He helped Karen to get a job as an
administrator at Cantor Fitzgerald. Sometimes she would call him to
describe an amazing spectacle outside her window. "You can't believe
this, but a jet plane just flew by my window. It was so beautiful."
On the morning of 9/11 Richard had a bird's-eye view of the whole
thing. He saw the second plane hit the south tower and tried to call
Karen, but there was no answer. Soon, his building was on a lock down.
Frustrated, desperate and enraged, Richard picked up a chair and threw
it at the window. The nurse was called. She wanted to take his blood pressure. "1 says, 'Are you f***in' kiddin' me?' 1 said, 'My fiancee
probably just got killed and you wanna take my blood pressure? Of course
it'll be up!''' That was the Brooklyn in him coming out, he told me.
Richard used to look at the postings and the photographs on the
internet and sometimes wondered if she had jumped. She was very vain and
particular about her face, he knew; she used plenty of wrinkle cream,
and he always figured if conditions were that bad she would jump rather
than face the fires.
He eventually made contact with Richard Drew, the Associated Press (AP)
photographer who recorded many images of those who jumped or fell on
9/11- so many he has never counted them, he told me - including one
much-published image of a man frozen in a head-first dive that came to
be known as the Falling Man.
Pecorella went to Drew's office and was shown a collection of
photographs. ''Are you sure you want to do this? It's very graphic,"
Drew asked him, but he was sure - and there she was, in the first
photograph he saw. She was wearing the familiar bandana she always put
on at work and stood in the window frame, holding on, with the flames
behind her. There were a lot of other people in the photograph, but
Richard was sure he recognized her cream trousers and blue cotton top.
There was a second photograph of a woman falling, hands over her face,
legs raised as she came down, no bandana now, but the hair and body
shape all too familiar. Drew was almost apologetic to Richard - his
instincts had just taken over, he said, he had just recorded what was
happening. Richard reassured him that, in fact, it gave him some closure
to know that, at the end, Karen had made a choice. She had jumped; she
did not, as he said, burn up and become toast. "She chose how she should
die. It's not a religious thing with me. A lot of people have problems
because they consider it as suicide, which means you go to hell, but I
don't consider it like that, I think it's more complicated.
Richard had never met anyone else who believed they knew a victim who had jumped. "Nobody talks about the jumpers,"
he said. It made him feel like he was the only one who knew and had
something to hold on to. In fact, as Richard later realized, there were
others who were looking to claim ownership of the same images. When his
own health deteriorated after 2001- he developed a condition similar to
emphysema that has restricted his mobility
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#92 Posted: 5/12/2012 2:54:22 AM So much hatred on this planet. How did we make it this far? |
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#93 Posted: 5/12/2012 3:03:53 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by lbcake:
So much hatred on this planet. How did we make it this far?
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#94 Posted: 5/12/2012 3:33:52 AM i still cringe when seeing old shots of the towers in photos or movies etc.
havnt viewed the attacks for years now. to just know there are humans about to die so differently is beyond chilling to see. it so looks like a movie but u know its real. and it feels like slow motion as that plane is about to slam right thru the first tower. then out of no where, the other one somes in view and... o garbage...f*ckin nuts.
so theres's no way i can attempt to watch someone jump to their fate during that bs.
f*ck me that sh*t is just too much.

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