UFC 91: Huge underdog value on 45-year-old Couture

By STAN LEUNG | November 14, 2008 | 13 comments
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UFC 91 Couture vs. Lesnar
Nov. 15, 2008 8 p.m.
Randy "The Natural" Couture (+100) vs. Brock Lesnar (-120)

The biggest mixed martial arts fight in history is set to go down Saturday night when Randy “The Natural” Couture (16-8) will make his return to the UFC after he resigned to face Brock Lesnar. Couture has hopes of using this fight to earn a bout against the best fighter in the world, Fedor Emelianenko.

To lure him back to the UFC, President Dana White gave Couture a daunting challenge. On Sept. 2, 2008 the UFC announced a three-fight deal with the now 45-year-old return to as heavyweight champion to fight at UFC 91 on Nov. 15, 2008 in Nevada against former WWE wrestler Lesnar (2-1).

The winner of this fight will go on to fight the winner of UFC 92's Nogueira versus Mir bout, for the undisputed UFC Heavyweight Championship.

This is the most hyped MMA fight in history thanks to Lesnar’s mainstream presence that will draw in the wider media and the hardcore WWE geeks.

Sports betting-wise this will be the most action on UFC or MMA fight in sports betting history. Most oddsmakers are being conservative in the fight. The lines opened at -115 on both sides but due to the fame, mainstream presence and Lesnar’s sheer size, a flood of action has been placed on Brock.

Lesnar has been pushed to the online betting favorite at -120 and Couture is the underdog at +100.

Don’t let the hype fool you though. Couture is a real MMA fighter who has been around the block. He’ll have a game plan going into this fight that will throw off Lesnar enough to beat the more inexperienced fighter and the great part is that Couture’s value should rise to around +160 by fight time. You can bet on it. 

Lesnar will eventually be a great fighter one day, but with only three pro MMA fights he is not yet ready to be a champion. He is big and fast, though not ready compete at a world championship level.

His fight with Frank Mir at UFC 81 showed that. In that fight Lesnar made a classic grappling mistake and tried to run away from the leg submission instead of turning into the submission.

If Lesnar wasn’t a former WWE star, he wouldn’t even be considered for this fight. His first fight against Min Soo Kim was against a fighter who took the fight with only two weeks of notice.

His second fight was against Frank Mir, who made him look stupid on the ground and his third fight against Heath Herring at UFC 87. Lesnar beat Herring but all he did was lay on Herring the whole time and did little damage. He didn’t threaten him on the ground with submission attempts even though the kimura and other submissions were readily available.

If that was Couture, he would be smart enough to get out of that position because of his wrestling experience.

Couture is a technically more skilled wrestler than Lesnar as a three-time Olympic team alternate (1988, 1992 and 1996), a semifinalist at the 2000 Olympic trials, a three-time NCAA Division-I All-American and a two-time NCAA Division-I runner-up at Oklahoma State.

Lesnar had a great NCAA wrestling career but he never faced the world wide competition that Couture has faced.

While Lesnar has more raw power and speed, Randy will be able to out-wrestle Lesnar if this fight goes to the ground. Brock just won’t be able to lay on top of Couture like he did with Heath Herring..

Couture is also the better striker. Look at his game plan with Tim Sylvia. He was able to stay outside and land shots in a well executed striking game. Brock doesn’t have great striking ability and is more about explosiveness than accuracy.

Once Randy is able to slow down the pace of he fight, Lesnar will be vulnerable. Couture will stay on the outside and avoid Brock’s initial charge and from there will out strike him and land the cleaner blows.

Pick: Couture

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tyler1985 says:
11/14/08 11:11AM

CPT AMERICA

AlwaysHigh says:
11/14/08 06:06PM

got some inside info that lesnar wins this in a decision. why? because its all about the money baby!! dana white is all about the money he cant make much money on couture than he can with lesnar in the future. Its turning into the WWE.

NickCapone says:
11/14/08 09:05PM

Stan Leung why dont you jump on randys nuts a little more??This article actully made me laugh being that I actully know about MMA. Your opinion is so 1 sided its sickening, you said every possible thing negative about brock and positive about randy.

"If Lesnar wasn’t a former WWE star, he wouldn’t even be considered for this fight." Ok just a dumb comment which is not true by any means.

"Lesnar beat Herring but all he did was lay on Herring the whole time and did little damage" .. Did you see Herrings face after the fight by any chance?..very little damage? If that is very little damage id like to see what alot of damage is to you. Lesnar kept active the whole entire fight.

"While Lesnar has more raw power and speed, Randy will be able to out-wrestle Lesnar if this fight goes to the ground. Brock just won’t be able to lay on top of Couture like he did with Heath Herring." So you must of seen these guys wrestle before to know this right? You have no idea of what Lesnar is capable of and Couture has NO idea about the gorilla he is about to fight and how no one can imitate him in training.

"Couture is also the better striker. Look at his game plan with Tim Sylvia. He was able to stay outside and land shots in a well executed striking game. Brock doesn’t have great striking ability and is more about explosiveness than accuracy." Lesnar has had 3 Professional fights so you are just guessing he dosent have good striking ability im guessing? ..just because randy was better with sylvia dosent mean its going to be the same against brock.

I can go on and on..

Im not saying randy will lose this fight by any means, he is very capable of winning but it just makes me laugh how covers.com has a Randy Couture fan(or lesnar hater) writing this article.

If i post this article on sherdog you will have the whole forum saying how much of a moron you are

da_kid says:
11/14/08 10:32PM

Hey NickBuffone,,

The reason he says all of the great things about Randy is because he picks him to win. Would it be better if he said all the great characteristics of Brock and then picks Randy to win?? When you are giving your pick for the fight, I would imagine you would give analysis to back it up. Is that hard to figure out??

CainMarko says:
11/14/08 10:32PM

Nick, you gotta read this article in the context of its title. "Huge underdog value". Therefore, the points made in the article will need to justify that statement. Otherwise, it'd be pointless.

Your rebuttals to Stan's points are not convincing either:

"Ok just a dumb comment..". Why is it dumb? Are you saying you'd be perfectly happy to see an MMA fighter with a 2-1 record have a shot at the title?? Are you nuts? Brock hasn't paid his dues yet in this sport. I think this fight is a slap in the face for Couture. As well, would anyone know who Brock was if it weren't for WWE?? No. You seriously think people would pay to see a 'nobody' fight Couture just cuz of his intimidating physique? Hell no.

"Lesnar kept active the whole entire fight". I wish the UFC wouldn't judge a fighter based on "being active". Anyone can be "active". Look at the Hatton vs Mayweather fight. Hatton was way more "active", yet he still lost in points because Mayweather was able to do damage. Seems like the other way around in the UFC judging system though.

"Couture has NO idea about the gorilla..". And how do you know that Brock is a "gorilla"? You might've watched WWE!! I think Couture knows full well what he's getting into. He's fought and lost to Josh Barnett, who is a far superior fighter to Brock in every way and is comparable in size too.

"Lesnar has had 3 professional fights..". I don't think Stan was saying that Brock doesn't have good striking ability. Simply that Couture is the "better striker". Why would you even dispute that point? lol. By attempting to refute it, are you saying that you've actually seen comparable striking abilities from Brock? Doesn't Couture beating Sylvia and Gonzaga, who've knocked out notorious strikers in Arlovski and Cro Cop respectively, say something about his striking abilities / game plan?

Just because you visit sherdog does not make you an MMA expert.

CainMarko says:
11/14/08 10:34PM

Well said da_kid, lol.

NickCapone says:
11/14/08 11:40PM

All im saying is this article is written on the fact that Stan wants Randy to win. Stating that Randy is better in every way possible when there is not one fact to prove this. The only true stament he can say is that Randy has more experience, period. Hes Better at this , Better at that is all bullshit and i would expect a better writeup from a so-called "expert". Id rather have someone write this that can give an actual realistic outlook on this fight rather then be all 1 sided false misleading opinions. He did not say 1 positive thing about Lesnar.

you guys dont have to write back and girl we obviously see it different.. but feel free to talk after the fight is over and remind me that everything this expert wrote up was wrong.

CainMarko says:
11/15/08 12:03AM

Nick, you're still missing the point.

This article is supposed to be one sided. Read the title man. Stan's pick is Randy, and so he's going to provide evidence and analysis to back it up. However, if this article was simply a fight preview, it'd be more objective to both fighters. How can you not see that?

By disagreeing with Stan, you are disagreeing that Couture is NOT valuable as an underdog. If that's the case, then you really have no concept of betting on underdogs.

madh4ttr says:
11/15/08 07:14PM

how is it good value when CLEARLY, Lesner will dominate and kick Randy's behind

Parksopolis says:
11/15/08 10:13PM

I got to agree with Nick. Even if it is supposed to be one sided to express his pick, it's completely silly to say that all Brock did was lay on top of Heath Herring. Did you see Herring after that fight? He was awfully beat up. And "if this fight goes to the ground"...WTF. 70% of this fight will be on the ground, and to say that Randy will out-wrestle Brock is ridiculous. I'm not saying Couture as an underdog is a poor angle, I just don't agree with much of this article. And as expected, I say Lesnar wins in a decision...

NickCapone says:
11/16/08 03:34AM

Nice value right guys ? LOL ..Like i said feel free to message me when this fight is over so you can tell me how i was right...And covers.com, also feel free to message me if you would like me to write these MMA articles because your guys are pathetic,yes and that means you Stan Leung the "expert", and i am 1000% positive I can give a better analysis. Last time i checked this website is designed to help the bettors win money not lose it, and you have a randy couture fan trying to give people advice on what to bet, what a joke.

CainMarko says:
11/16/08 05:52AM

Again, it was nice value for an UNDERDOG. You clearly still have no concept of betting on an underdog. Put it this way, it'd be like placing Detroit as an underdog against Pittsburgh in last year's Stanley Cup Finals. Detroit being the older, more experienced team against the young 'superstars' of Pittsburgh.

The point of this article was to give people evidence that Couture was a good 'underdog' to bet on, if they decide to do so. Another example that may clear things up is.. Heath Herring as an underdog, and Couture as an underdog, assuming their betting odds are the same. Majority of people would take Couture, hands down. And why? It's cuz he's proven himself, and has accomplished much more than Heath. Therefore, Couture's got better 'value' as an underdog.

Not surprised Couture got beat. See Barnett vs Couture.

CainMarko says:
11/16/08 06:10AM

P.S. Barnett vs Lesnar would be a good match. But not right now, Lesnar would get destroyed.

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