Phillies vs. Rays: World Series preview and pick

By JACOB WHEATLEY-SCHALLER | October 20, 2008 | 43 comments
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(+134) Philadelphia Phillies at Tampa Bay Rays (-144)

 

Tampa Bay comes into the World Series with just two days rest after their classic battle with the Red Sox in the ALCS. Meanwhile, the Phillies will be a full week removed from their pennant clinching victory in Game 5 of the NLCS. 

 

A lot of attention will probably be paid to this, but you should ignore it. If the Rays win, it will be because the long layoff hurt the Phillies. If Philadelphia wins, it's because the Rays were exhausted from the Red Sox series.

 

Notice, though, how nobody is making either of these statements with much confidence right now.

 

As for the actual games on the field, the Game 1 line is very telling with the Phillies on the road actually being a slight favorite. Phillies ace Cole Hamels essentially cancelling out Tampa Bay's home-field advantage - for the game and the series.

 

The Rays would have to have a huge advantage in their other three home games to justify laying -144. They do have an edge in all three contest, with Myers vs. Shields twice, and then Matt Garza potentially pitching another Game 7 against Jamie Moyer. But the Phillies have three home games themselves. They’ll be big favorites when Hamels pitches in Citizens Bank Park, and will likely also be favored with Joe Blanton on the hill in Game 5. I don’t know if it’s because the books are trying to hedge against all the preseason Rays futures, but the value here seems to lie in the plus money with Philadelphia.

 

Another area of concern is the apparent huge gap between the two leagues. The AL’s All-Star Game and World Series dominance is nice anecdotal evidence, but here’s what really matters: there were 252 interleague games played this year, and the AL won 59.1 percent of them. 

 

This was no fluke, either. The NL didn’t do much better from 2005-2007, winning just 43.5 percent of those interleague games. 

 

Verdict: There’s no question that the AL is the superior league, and Tampa Bay just emerged from the toughest division in that league. But I still don’t think that justifies laying this much chalk against a very strong Phillies team. I’m going with Philadelphia in seven.

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bloodypeach says:
10/21/08 02:27AM

Love the Phillies in 7. Pays 8-1 in my books and I think it's a great value here. I also think that it's an advantage for the phillies as they can use a DH when they play in Tampa. Pitchers also have a batting advantage! All over Philly and for them to win in 7!

GL!!

GMoneyHI says:
10/21/08 04:32AM

Riding the Rays has fattened my pocket niiiiicely.

But, I'm pounding the Phillies. More complete and the pitchers are FULL of confidence.

indrep says:
10/21/08 10:19AM

I'm backing the Rays in this series. I believe that they can pound Moyer and Blanton and steal one from Myers. Tampa Bay is seven.

dimeplay28 says:
10/21/08 11:26AM

I think pitching Myers in game #2 on the road is a big mistake by the Phillies. He pitches much better at home. Rays don't hit lefties as well as they hit righties. I would have sent Moyer in game #2 and throw Myers in #3 at home. Take the chance of stealing the first 2 on the road with a good chance of putting them away in Philly. I also think that Philly is one of the few NL teams that can take advantage of the DH.

Taking $200 from my dime TBay over 74 wins victory putting it on Phills +125 to take the series.

TheosGame says:
10/21/08 01:47PM

Go Rays - i think they can win the world series. home field advantage. go rays

TheosGame says:
10/21/08 01:49PM

i am not betting on this series, juice a little high, but i lean towards rays, hope they win

Wood says:
10/21/08 02:13PM

The books are forced to over-inflate the series price on the Rays to try and get some Phillies action to help counter all of the Rays future bets. A lot of books had the Rays anywhere from 175 to 1 to 250 to 1 to win the world series and now there forced to set the series line at a price that would entise a lot of people to bet the Phill's.

Phill's favored in game 1 but dog's in the series, not sure if I've ever seen that in the World Series.

LBCWeasie says:
10/21/08 03:22PM

I got Phillies pre-season 30-1 on $20 to win the championship...let's see if I can jinx them as fast as I can post this

mrusso says:
10/21/08 04:01PM

luv' the Rayz', definitely overpriced for series tho', will play this one game to game. Even up on game 1, as good as Hamels has been, I believe the Rayz' won't be intimidated by him after beating another outstanding lefty, Lester, not once, but twice in the playoffs. Kazmir, while inconsistent of late, has not given up a run in 4 of his last 9 starts and was A+ his last start @ Boston. Philly has big guns, but so did the White Sox and the Red Sox. Also, with David Price(L) and Edwin Jackson now in bullpen to go along with Howell(L), Balfour, Miller(L), Bradford, and even Wheeler, THIS IS A STRONG BULLPEN WITH 3 VERY GOOD LEFTIES. The Red Sox scored some runs on them, but they've seen those relievers, alot, and in the end, it still didn't matter. Should be a great series nonetheless, Rayz' are my team, sometimes difficult to be objective when that happens... Rayz', seven again!!!

madh4ttr says:
10/21/08 04:40PM

well, I'm not betting on this series either because I am unsure. REd Sox fan, I'm pulling for the American League, go Rays.

cantex48 says:
10/21/08 04:51PM

interesting point,on the future bets,but they(the books) have already banked zillions,on the teams that are dead now,after Hamels,phillies become weak(especially w/Moyer,oldest in History???,gotta check that)...anyway liked phillies til 2 minutes agoGL LBC!!

cantex48 says:
10/21/08 05:07PM

so found this guy Jack quinn,wow,from 1909 or so pitched over 4 decades,anyway,won with Bernard Hopkins other day against a fighter who was 34-0 w/30 KOs,so will not bet series,just pull for Moyer.

Pimpdaddy55 says:
10/21/08 05:37PM

Are you kidding me yeah go ahead and bet on a team that beat the Brewers and the Dodgers. Rays are a lock

west44 says:
10/22/08 01:27AM

tough series to cap

game one I like Rays v Hamels , because

the layoff . rockies had 8 days and tigers

had a big layoff , both runs came to a screeching

halt in the series facing a team coming off tough

lcs battles . Phiiles have not played in a dome

or turf all year , this is a advantage for rays and also

even though only one start and awhile back , the rays

hammered him .....

Dogjimbo says:
10/22/08 02:15AM

Rays in 6. Longoria carries them and gets MVP. GL

Philly215 says:
10/22/08 09:25AM

Hamels Shuts em down tonight. Phils RL +160. See you at the Game. GO PHILLIES!!!!!!!

Home Field Advantage will be taken down a notch by the overwhelming amount of Phillies fans that will be in attendence tonight, I'd say 40% of fans at the game will be wearing red, inclduing me. Don't belive me, just go to stubhub and see for yourself. Rays have fair weather fans, theres no doubt about that, tickets for their first world series game ever are going for less than $190/each. Thats a fuggin joke and so are the Rays chances of beating the PHillies tonight.

Phillies 6-2 then its off to the titty bar till 5 in the monring.

indrep says:
10/22/08 11:37AM

Guys,

I believe that Philly is going to win this series. I do believe that it will take seven games to do it. My big concern for them is Jamie Moyer vs. Matt Garza. This matchup is a complete mismatch.

Game 1 – Cole Hamels should get the best of Kazmir in a low scoring game

Philly to lead series 1-0

Game 2 – Brett Myers and James Shields should both pitch well. This game will go to the bullpens and Brad Lidge will shut the door

Philly to lead series 2-0

Game 3 – With their backs against the wall – The Rays hammer Jamie Moyer and get their swagger back

Philly to lead series 2-1

Game 4 – Joe Blanton – The dude at home will pitch over his head and the Phils lineup will toast Sonnastine.

Philly to lead series 3-1

Game 5 – One would think that with Cole Hamels on the mound that the Phils would wrap this thing up. Not so fast – Kazmir will pitch the game of his life and shift the series back to Tampa.

Philly to lead series 3-2

Game 6 – The Phils knowing that Jamie Moyer cannot match Matt Garza will pull out all the stops tonight to win this thing in six. I expect James Shields to get rocked in this game.

Philly wins series 4-2.

I expect a ton of non-conventional occurrences to happen in this series. I expect a no name to emerge as a key player for both teams.

indrep says:
10/22/08 11:40AM

I earlier suggested the Rays in seven but a ton of research has changed my mind. I list my Nostra dumb asss prediction above.

heatseeker2721 says:
10/22/08 11:47AM

guys... is this really it???im from philly and it is crazy here...but lets not forget this is the choke kings in any sport we are all use to "close but no cigar"'s in philly..i hope they dont screw this up man we need it .....GO PHILS...

ps lets burn down this city ....

Henry-Lilly says:
10/22/08 12:22PM

"Let's burn down this city" ???? Dude, get a grip. There's no burning in baseball.

Rizaqboi23 says:
10/22/08 01:41PM

can someone inform me of the odds for phillies taking the series as of today

bej0101 says:
10/22/08 01:46PM

indrep, like the phillies in 6 as well..gl

mrusso says:
10/22/08 02:05PM

Philly215, congrats' on going to the game and your Phillies being there. However, there won't be any more Philly fans here than there were for the earlier Red Sox series' as well as the Cubs when they came to town boasting the best record in all of baseball. The Red Sox lost their first 6 times here before they finally won and the Cubs went 0-3 here. I, however, won't insult your team, they're good or they wouldn't be here. Nor will I insult their fans, you have the right to cheer for whoever you want.

Don't come into MY town and insult this team and these fans either. You can get away with on the internet, but I repeat you absolutely will not in public. For your own safety, cheer for your team, but don't RUN YOUR MOUTH AND INSULT THIS TEAM AND THESE FANS. I live here and if you're that froggy, let me know when and where.

666LES says:
10/22/08 02:55PM

TB may hve edge in starting pitching but Phil has better/deeper pen and which Kazmir pitches twice in this series? I'll bet at least one time 'bad' Kazmir shows.

wmtitan30 says:
10/22/08 03:08PM

listen...

until i see the rays take the field tonight im still not convinced that the red sox didnt sneak their lucky fools into the world series..

but if the world series is between the rays and the phillies rays win it in 5 if not a sweep

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