Bettors taking Obama to win presidency; odds on the rise

By LARRY JOSEPHSON | October 6, 2008 | 45 comments
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Only in America.

     

Four years ago Barack Obama, half-Black and half-Caucasian, was a blip on the political radar screen, an Illinois state senator about whom the only thing known was that he could give a good speech.

 

In 2004 Obama brought down house when he delivered the keynote address at the Democratic Convention that nominated John Kerry for president, and now, 49 months later, the man with the funny name appears to be a solid favorite to become the leader of the free world.

 

Obama wasn’t given even a puncher’s chance to wrestle the Democratic Party nomination away from Hillary Clinton. Clinton had bided her time in the Senate, had money to burn and millions of women ready to pound the pavement for her. But she based her campaign on experience while Obama was talking change, and with the way things have gone since the turn of the millennium, change sounds pretty good.

 

The race has fluctuated. Obama opened with a lead over an under-funded John McCain. McCain pulled even in late August and now Obama is back in the saddle. If this election was a football game, Obama would laying seven points to his Republican opponent.     

 

Numbers vary widely and fluctuate almost hourly based on everything from international events to the price of gas. RealClear Politics, which combines all credible polls, has Obama with a 5.6 percent edge among all voters; on the prediction market Intrade.com shares of an Obama candidacy cost 66.7 each while McCain shares can be had for 33.2. Logans.com has an Obama presidency set at 2-7 (-350); McCain is at 9-4 (+225). Some other books have Obama at anywhere from -137 to -200, with McCain now at +150.

 

“It’s been a roller coast ride so far,” says Michael Perry, oddsmaker for Logans.com. “Right before McCain selected Sarah Palin as his running mate, Obama was a -250 (2/5) favorite. I guess a lot of people thought that Palin would attract a lot of the female vote, because odds on Obama came all the way to -150 as of about a week ago.

 

“Now the Democrats are gaining more attention from our bettors at least, and now Obama is -350.”

 

Accuracy in polling has improved, but is hardly perfect. At 8 p.m. on Election Night 2004 Kerry thought he had won Ohio (based on exit polling) and thus the presidency.  Three hours later he was conceding to George W. Bush.

 

Polls did not even exist prior to the 1930s, but by then there was already a thriving betting market for presidential elections in place. With New York City as its epicenter, millions of dollars were wagered on the candidates. From 1894 to 1940 bettors accurately predicted the winning candidate in every election except 1916, when Woodrow Wilson closed fast and won a second term by defeating the betting public’s choice, Charles Evans Hughes. Even at that, betting was almost even on both candidates.

 

One thing everyone agrees on: candidates who trail say that polls don’t matter.

      

Enter John McCain.

 

McCain didn’t seem too concerned about academics as a youth and barely made it out of the Naval Academy. He did earn his spurs by spending five-plus years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, a fact which he repeats on the campaign trail when questioned about either gay marriage or the economy.

 

McCain dealing with the economy is roughly the equivalent of a lion tamer going into the cage without a chair - or gun. He has admitted he doesn’t know much about complicated stuff like interest rates or trade deficits, yet curiously insists that the fundamentals of the economy were sound even as the market was tanking last month.

 

McCain has long had a bizarre relationship with the Republican Party, which has controlled the White House for 20 of the last 28 years, successfully building a three-legged-stool base that consists of:

 

1.      Economic conservatives who are regularly mentioned in Forbes magazine.

2.      Internationalist/interventionist conservatives (neocons) who believe that a punch in the nose is the best way to spread democracy.

3.      Social conservatives, who are convinced that Adam and Eve were conned by a talking snake about 5,000 years ago.

 

McCain passed muster with the first two groups, but the social conservatives never trusted him. A strange preacher-turned-governor named Mike Huckabee gave McCain some trouble in the primaries, and suspicions about McCain lingered into August. Then, just prior to the Republican convention the 72-year-old cancer survivor completed an exhaustive nationwide search for the best person to replace him in the event he takes early retirement at Arlington National, and came up with . . . Sarah Palin. 

 

Few in the lower 48 even knew that Alaska was a state, let alone that Palin was its governor. But the more the Hezbollah wing of the Republican Party learned about Palin and her viewpoints on items like anti-abortion and pro-war, the more they liked her.

 

Any euphoria over Palin among anyone who lives north of South Carolina began to wane, however. She couldn’t name one magazine or newspaper that she reads, she complained about judges without citing a single Supreme Court decision she disagrees with, and informed us all that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are government programs when in reality they are private firms.

 

Cynics will say that Palin is so unqualified for the vice presidency that she was selected only because McCain could not figure out any other way to talk 301 million Americans to get down on their knees every day and pray for his health.

 

Criticism of Palin was so intense, in fact, that prior to her Vice Presidential debate against Joe Biden there was talk that the GOP would quietly sit down with her and ask her to withdraw, but she avoided complete catastrophe in the debate and Republicans nationwide were talked off ledges.

 

McCain, meanwhile, has morphed into Yosemite Sam, firing wildly in every direction in attempt to discredit Obama, from comparing the Democrat to Paris Hilton to refusing to even make eye contact during their first debate.

 

His contention that Obama is an elitist fell a little flat when it was revealed that McCain and his trophy wife own seven homes and at least that many cars.        

 

So is McCain drawing dead, or can he turn things around and score an implausible victory in what is the most toxic year for a Republican candidate since 1976 (post-Watergate)?

 

There is plenty of calendar left for an October surprise. Kerry insists to this day that a video released by Osama bin Laden cost him the election in 2004. Henry Kissinger had his fingers crossed behind his back when he told a Vietnam-weary America that peace was at hand.

 

And not talked about much is the Bradley effect, which refers to a discrepancy between polls and actual voting results when a black candidate runs against a white. Tom Bradley was heavily favored in the race for governor of California in 1982, but lost because the theory goes some white voters when polled would not reveal their true feelings.

 

Is the Bradley effect in effect now?

 

While McCain swings for the fences, Obama seems content to stay above the fray, ragging the puck and exhibiting the very coolness that Republicans and even some in his own party criticize him for.

 

Obama can afford a Cheshire cat smile. He gazes at an increasingly favorable electoral map that forces McCain, who has no campaign apparatus in dozens of states and recently pulled up stakes in Michigan, to virtually run the red-state table, taking every state that Bush won four years ago in hopes of piecing together a narrow victory.

 

It’s a daunting task for McCain . . . if the numbers are to be believed.

 

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rick3117 says:
10/07/08 02:47PM

Looks like you tried very hard to be objective here

ZarleyZalapski says:
10/07/08 03:03PM

There is no doubt in my mind that the Obama choice makes more sense on all fronts.

Sammy says:
10/07/08 03:10PM

Obama is da man with a plan.

rick3117 says:
10/07/08 03:16PM

McCain has a plan but he is not DA man.

I didnt know we were voting for DA man

maybe we should cast our vote for pimp of the month.

and player of the year

and the illest person on the block

dummy

WRECKEDEM says:
10/07/08 03:51PM

a vote for NADER is a vote for integrity and a vote against corporate pandering.

Ralph Nader is my home boy

www.votenader.org

vegasj says:
10/07/08 04:12PM

McCain-Palin ticket is a ticket to hell. My 2-year old house has dropped in value 33% since it was built. Cheney was an oil man, Palin is an oil woman, huh, go figure. Haliburton stock triples while we pay triple at the pump, huh, go figure. McCain is a war man, Bush is a war man, huh, go figure. Same old Rove mudslinging that attacked Gore and Kerry is now being applied to Obama, huh, go figure.

I guess if we want more of the same garbage we've had the last 8 years we need to vote for McCain. America is full of gullables, why I think McCain wins, huh, go figure.

ross33 says:
10/07/08 04:43PM

If McCain was a 72 yr old black senator with over 20 years in congress, and Obama was a 47 yr old white senator with 6 months in congress, the election wouldn't be close. McCain would get 90% of the black vote, and the skid row homeless in Ohio would be bussed to the polls to vote for him, instead of Obama.

rick3117 says:
10/07/08 04:57PM

So is age or race the issue ross?

vegasj The war and the repubs arent to blame for your house dropping in value.

the housing market bubble burst because people who couldnt afford houses bought them, and why shouldnt someone living on government assistance buy a 500,000 house? (said the democrats)

and to be fair, it was on both sides, buying of homes was stimulating the economy, but if you look at places like Miami, they built themselves into a rediculous surplus, therfore value went down.

not bush's fault

not cheeneys fault

not haliburtons fault

not the soldiers fault

not saddams fault

not obamas fault

not mccains fault

it was the fault of Americans who got themselves in too deep. stop shifting blame and take responsibility for your dumber countrymen, i have.

Ryno1524 says:
10/07/08 04:59PM

Obama is all talk, people need to look past his masterful speaking and look at his foreign policy history.....wait I can tell you.....there is NO HISTORY!

When it comes to protecting my behind from getting attacked by terrorists....gas prices and the economy are a little less important than keeping me alive. Pick your poison, Obama and what "could" be a better economy and a good chance of being exploited internationally, or Mccain with what "could" be a worse economy, but no international threats.

Obama US Senator 04-08'.........Now thats a resume people!

painless56 says:
10/07/08 05:37PM

I wouldn't vote for Obama if the election was last week and he won. I live in Philly and voted for Mayor Nutter who is black so this has nothing to do about race and I am a Democrate and this is the first time I will vote against my party, I just don't trust Obama,

he just doesn't have the experence .

nguyenhd says:
10/07/08 05:45PM

There is no different between them two, they both voted for the bail out that would cost every tax payer in this country 10K, that is a lot of betting and ATS to cover LOL.

The funny thing is they "talk talk" about the middle class, where they, themself is not any where near what you call middle class.

What middle class have 100K of cash in the bank that is back by the FDIC, now they raise the bar to 250K, IMHO, that just protecting what they have in thier bank account.

They have no interest in arresting the people who responsible for this mess, CEO and speculators, included the dishonest brokers and the loan officers, regulators and people in congress who oversight these issues like senator Dodd, the chairman of senate finance and banking, who meet with the CEO of country wide to get his 300K break on his loan, when he should be asking why does Joe Bloe who flip burger for a living but able to afford the half a million home?. Bush appeared in front of the public and congradualate because we have a record number amount of home owner, "you did a fine job Brownie!".

They have no regulation since Bill Clinton deregulated while in charge under the advise of Greenspan, Bush is nothing but failure and an idiot, look what happen when you keep Democrat appointee in your admin, Tenet CIA director and Greenspan. He should learn more from the past, like his daddy was removed from CIA director as soon as Jimmy Carter took office.

I rather burn my voter registration card before vote for anyone of these more of the same, nothing but corrupted politician, BTW homie Obama is 3rd on the finiancial and banking committee since he is a jr senator. Pretty sure he have his hand in this mess too. McCain, need to say no more, he definately too rich to fit in with Joe Public.

GMoneyHI says:
10/07/08 05:50PM

The last 8 years have been gross. Economy, forgeign relations, and our civil liberties all going down the toilet. Time for a regime change.

That being said, if I had to place a bet it would be 5 units on McCain @ +200. Republicans are getting real good at stealing elections.

WillHunting says:
10/07/08 05:57PM

This Obama campaign is a JOKE and hows just how economic ignorant America really is. He isn't CHANGE AT ALL. We have already tried this during similar times during the Jimmy Carter Administration and the results were catastrophic. We still suffer from that administration today. I think Obama will win and many ignorant Americans will get blindsided by skyrocketing unemployment, 70% taxes, 15% inflation and 20% Interest rates. It will only be change in most peoples pockets is all that it will be. You can jump from the frying pan and into the fire and that is what is about to happen.

JohnnyK13 says:
10/07/08 06:32PM

if a black man runs this country white people we will all become slaves! Think about it!

White Power-----Go McCain

WRECKEDEM says:
10/07/08 06:36PM

QUESTION #1 Who is lying to you regarding the latest bailout?

Answer.) Barack Obama, John McCain and the national media networks. Obama and McCain are lying about several issues involving the bailout. The most important lie that they are repeating is that this economic disaster was something totally unpredictable. This is completely false. In fact, Ralph Nader and a host of leading economists predicted that this would happen eight years ago. The reason that McCain and Obama are lying is because they were partially responsible for its occurrence. Despite what they are now saying, both of these men supported deregulation of the lending industry which led to speculative lending, bad loans, and the sale of relatively worthless derivative securities. Additionally, the campaigns of both of these men are infested throughout the ranks, with people who have had a direct hand in bringing this economic crises about. They receive a great deal of money from these organizations as well, and will not make the responsible changes to prevent Wall Street from robbing you again. This is not the first time and will not be the last.

Don't take my word for it: See these links

http://www.

thenation.

com/blogs/jstreet/361063

http://www.

counterpunch. org/martens05052008.

html(Obama's Money Cartel part 1)

http://www.

counterpunch. org/martens05062008.

html(Obama part 2)

http://www.

nytimes. com/2008/09/24/us/politics/24davis.

html

(McCain's links)

http://www.

opensecrets. org/news/2008/09/bundlers-for-mccain-obama-are.

html (Both McCain and Obama)

QUESTION 2.) What Is Next and Why Does It Matter?

A.) The End of Affordable Oil. The most concerning aspect of the lies and deceit in Wall Street crisis is precisely what makes this problem so serious. Despite the fact that many people were aware of the problems existing in the financial markets, there was little to no reporting on the subject. In fact, only weeks before the state of emergency were happening, neither candidate was warning of an impending crisis. Instead, both presidential candidates acted like this snuck up on them as well, despite the repeated warnings from Ralph Nader and many other economists.

The end of affordable Oil is not a question of if, but when. The first stages of this impending disaster are already upon us. Oil prices have been rising for months, only periodically dropping to levels that are still much higher than several years ago. This problem is much bigger for the U.S. than other countries. After world War II, Europe was ravaged by the war and many of their cities needed to be substantially rebuilt. The Europeans had the foresight to build cities with extensive access to public transportation. This allows them to be much less reliant on fossil fuels. Much of the population lives in or around urban areas, with easy access to the city.

The U.S. did the opposite. Instead of investing heavily on public transportation, the U.S. invested heavily in the interstate system. This was primarily due to the backing of the budding car industry. The U.S. became a very mobile country because of this, and sprawling suburbs resulted. These sprawling suburbs are now becoming a huge problem in the age of expensive oil. The large sections of the population that live 20-30 miles outside of a major urban work environment must make daily commutes into the city. This has become extremely expensive, and it will be completely unaffordable once gas prices increase.

The end result of this problem is the necessity for a complete reworking of the infrastructure of the U.S. People will be in a situation where they must move closer to the city to make a living. Additionally, inadequate public transportation will result in huge costs to the taxpayer. This will also mean an end to the bloated excesses of mass consumerism that has dominated our country. The costs of relocation and reinvestment in infrastructure will mean that people will have less and less money to spend on aesthetic pleasures. This means a drastic change in lifestyle.

The important thing to remember about all of this, is the fact that this can be a gradual process. Gradual investing in improving the U.S. infrastructure will allow a smooth transition. The problem is that neither of the two "major" party candidates are supporting this concept. Instead of calling for immediate investment in renewable energy resources, Obama and McCain are actively supporting the continued U.S. oil addiction and nuclear energy. This is a fatal flaw, and the same one that they are guilty of with the Wall Street problem. Because of the huge campaign contributions that these parties receive from the oil and car industries, they will only make this transition when it becomes absolutely necessary. The end result of this is that it will end up costing the taxpayer much more money over a much shorter time period.

The deliberate ignorance of Obama and McCain also contributes heavily to the problem of global warming. They are essentially trading the health of the planet for the short term financial gains of their contributors. The national media is also largely ignoring this problem, primarily because they rely on the same sponsors as the two parties for commercial advertising. This represents a dire conflict of interest.

Links:

http://www.

youtube.

com/watch?v=Q3uvzcY2Xug ("The End of Suburbia")

http://www.

theoildrum.

com/node/4172?gclid=CPDqmuekj5YCFQaYQAod0Vz1F A

QUESTION 3.) What Can You Do to Make a Change?

A.) Ultimately, the question you have to ask yourself is whether you want to advance towards a future U.S. with leadership that is incapable of dealing with future interests due to conflicts of interests within their campaign funding, or leaders who support the interests of America. If you want to head forward with leaders whose plans are infested with financiers, diametrically opposed to making these changes, then the choice is simple, Obama or McCain. This is a vote for INFESTING in your future.

On the other hand, Ralph Nader and Matt Gonzalez are committed to ending corporate control of the government and making the necessary changes for the future, such as renewable energy, public transportation and green job creation. They are supported by no corporate interests and their only allegiance is to the American people. These are not the only issues which Nader Gonzalez support, but are ignored by the national media and the two parties. They also support an immediate end to the war, single-payer healthcare (SEE Micheal Moore's documentary "Sicko"), Cracking Down on Corporate Crime (SEE Bailout), and other issues.

See:

Opendebates.

org

For more information:

votenader. org.

Invest in your future, don't let it become infested with corporate greed.

Blackshirt51 says:
10/07/08 07:06PM

STICK TO SPORTS

MrMannix says:
10/07/08 07:24PM

BOB BARR

shepherd says:
10/07/08 09:06PM

in sports betting... the sucker bet is to go with the public wave (the sheep)...

in politics... the sucker bet is to go against the public wave (BAAAA!)...

bet Obama... the public is all over his sorry behind!

prme41 says:
10/07/08 10:06PM

It's amazing how everyone thinks the government can do something about the economy. Banks in the U.S. gave out loans that couldn't be paid by people, and now the economy has to adjust itself. I think it's horrible that the government is giving so much money to these companies and banks. Just let the economy be. People don't understand that the stock market has ups and downs and will adjust itself over time.

MasterLockLine says:
10/07/08 11:44PM

Was that rant written by Al Franken? Another case of simply trying to belittle McCain rather than deal with issues. Than again, that seems to be working. Some love sizzle, few care about the steak.

WRECKEDEM says:
10/08/08 01:05AM

can we not discuss REAL issues here, like....lipstick on pigs?!?!?!?

bfphantom says:
10/08/08 01:50AM

Wow. Whole lot of raging psychopaths in here, and a whole lot of people who don't follow many of the issues. Most of you people touting McCain were the same behind-clowns that have been defending George Bush and who told us he was the right man for the job in 2000 and 2004. Sorry, but you have a credibility issue.

The last eight years have been a god damn debacle on so many levels it sickens me. It's time for change. It's not just about Obama. It's the entire idea that if we elect a Democrat that they will appoint a Democratic perspective to all facets of our government. Jesus, do you idiots think George Bush is running this country all by himself?

It's time for a new direction. The Republicans have destroyed our economy, looted our national treasury, done everything that they can screw up our government, been the most corrupt and deceitful administration in history, and basically been screwing us all over for the last eight year. Iraq, 9/11, Patriot Act, torture, Hurricane Katrina and the New Orleans situation, consolidation of wealth, politicization of the Justice Dept., his shady Supreme Court dealings, $5.00/gallon oil from our oil man president, lies, mudslinging, blurring the line between church and state, dirty politics, cover-ups, questionable election results and conflicts of interest in Florida (00) and Ohio (04), deregulation and the collapse of our economy, gutting of the FDA and EPA, our $10 trillion deficit, our decreased standing in international politics, a skyrocketing unemployment rate, a failing education system, etc., etc., etc. I'm sure some of you will try to give the Hannity/O'Reilly/Fox News/Karl Rove/Rush Limbaugh answers to all of those issues. None of which are the fault of the current administration, the Republican Congress (1994-2006), the neo-Cons, or anyone else involved with the psychopaths and fascists that supported Bush and now McCain. Nope. Nothing to see here. Move along.

Anyone that votes Republican this year - after everything we've witnessed over the last eight years - is too dumb to live. They are my enemy, and the enemy of my country. This needs to stop and the American people need to take this country back over.

bfphantom says:
10/08/08 02:01AM

And let's spin it forward, since this is not a political site, with more REPUBLICAN HYPOCRISY:

The Republican platform used to be about limited government. I say used to be because the federal government has never been larger, the govt. has never spent more money, and the government has never tried to consolidate executive power like it has in the last eight years. they are hypocrites.

But now the Hypocritical Repubs have been trying to destroy American's rights to online gambling. They have tried to pass laws to make it more difficult to gamble online as the first step towards shutting down the industry (even though their actions have been illegal, against OUR OWN TREATIES, and condemn by international groups). The group that tries to spin itself as wanting "limited government" is trying to use its IMPLIED MORALE AUTHORITY - you know, the same morale authority that said it was OK to start an illegal, unsanctioned, rebel-style invasion of a foreign country under deceitful and false pretenses - to stop people from spending their own money. That's right - they are trying to come into your home and tell you what you can and can't do with YOUR OWN HARD EARNED MONEY! Are you kidding me? But, again, just more hypocrisy.

On the list of 100,000 reasons why the Bush Administration was one of the worst in our nation's history and why McCain should not even be close to being elected (and if you look at the polls, both of those statements are rapidly becoming reality) the Gambling Issue is like No. 979,854. But it just illustrates the point for a group of people who presumably use this site for gambling info that a vote for Republicans is a vote against your own best interests.

The neo-Cons and the Republicans have had their chance. They had a Republican Congress and a Republican president from 2000-2006. And what did they do? They lied, cheated, and stole from this country. They started wars, bankrupted our treasury, destroyed our economy, and have left our country in a bloody, tattered mess with no leadership and no vision for how to improve it besides "More Of The Same McCain". Sorry assholes. You had your shot and that's what you decided to do with it. Now step aside and let the Adults clean up your mess. Our country can be great again. But in order to do so we need to stop letting the Moron Majority and the Psychopaths on the Right Wing try to dictate the course of our nation.

rick3117 says:
10/08/08 10:19AM

IF you think McCain=Bush I feel sorry for you. You probably believe everything you see on tv. Listen IF you dont like the country run for office or start a militia. Complaining about the war is getting pretty old. If you dont like it dont fight in it. there are plenty of men willing to go for you. If it is the cost of war in dollars that bothers you and you cant stomach paying taxes then start evading your taxes.

Defeat in Iraq is unacceptable, point blank, and Obama has proven he knows person about war, and McCain has experience and connections that can win this war. Petraeus is the greatest wartime General that our country may have ever seen and has the tools to win this war. Like it or not Iraq is very consequential to the rest of the region, and the rest of the world.

Don't like gambling being illegal, move to vegas. or take the chances. Online gambling is at the VERY bottom of the list of things that need to be fixed in this country.

Being an American has responsibilities and it is not all roses and raimbows. Sometimes you have to sacrifice for the greater good.

But take this with you, and remember it well,

THIS COUNTRY OWES YOU NOTHING.

rick3117 says:
10/08/08 10:28AM

did this thread change the word D@*& into person

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